Re: Color&Area relations?

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Posted by Erol Abit on February 16, 1999 at 12:47:09:

In Reply to: Re: Color&Area relations? posted by Wendel Swan on February 16, 1999 at 07:11:04:

: : Dear Wendel,

: : I want to ask a question. You are relating the colors to the areas. How do you do that? I mean are you (rug experts) using your experiences about common colors of each region or are your these color&area relations based on some facts? For example, you said that "the yellow may suggest a Central Anatolian origin rather than Western Anatolia". Why may the yellow suggest this area?

: Dear Erol,

: Any rug producing area (or group) will tend to use certain designs and colors more than others. As to colors, the antique rugs of Eastern Turkey tend to be darker than those found elsewhere in Turkey and those in Central Anatolia tend to be the brightest.

: Yellow can be found throughout Turkey, but its use is most frequent and lavish in Central Anatolia. I can't really explain why, but that can be readily observed in yellow warps and wefts even. There is a group of rugs from the Konya region known for their yellow grounds.

: It is nearly certain that the original rug from which Rug #1 was copied did not have the same color palette as Rug #1 now has. While both Persian and Indian rugs use yellow, its use is sparing in them.

: Rug #1 does not seem to me to follow any tradition. By that, I mean that it copies a rug made elsewhere. The abundant use of yellow is one of the few clues as to its origin. But the presence of all that yellow is far from definitive.

: I think someone who has been in the rug trade for a long time could provide insight.

: Wendel

Thanks Wendel,

I just wanted to know the way how you judge about colors and origins so that I wouldn't loose myself in many pairs of the color&area. If I find the reasons why some colors were used in some certain areas, I could reduce the data number and so I could easily learn.

I got an idea after I asked the question. One explanation may be that, for example, the plants or vegetables which give the darker yellow were growing up much in the eastern anatolia only. If this is true and if I were a botany scientist, would I easily judge about any rug's origin by looking at its color only

Regards and thanks again,
Erol

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: : : : Dear Wendel, : : : I want to ask a question. You are relating the colors to the areas. How do you do that? I mean are you (rug experts) using your experiences about common colors of each region or are your these color&area relations based on some facts? For example, you said that "the yellow may suggest a Central Anatolian origin rather than Western Anatolia". Why may the yellow suggest this area? : : Dear Erol, : : Any rug producing area (or group) will tend to use certain designs and colors more than others. As to colors, the antique rugs of Eastern Turkey tend to be darker than those found elsewhere in Turkey and those in Central Anatolia tend to be the brightest. : : Yellow can be found throughout Turkey, but its use is most frequent and lavish in Central Anatolia. I can't really explain why, but that can be readily observed in yellow warps and wefts even. There is a group of rugs from the Konya region known for their yellow grounds. : : It is nearly certain that the original rug from which Rug #1 was copied did not have the same color palette as Rug #1 now has. While both Persian and Indian rugs use yellow, its use is sparing in them. : : Rug #1 does not seem to me to follow any tradition. By that, I mean that it copies a rug made elsewhere. The abundant use of yellow is one of the few clues as to its origin. But the presence of all that yellow is far from definitive. : : I think someone who has been in the rug trade for a long time could provide insight. : : Wendel : Thanks Wendel, : I just wanted to know the way how you judge about colors and origins so that I wouldn't loose myself in many pairs of the color&area. If I find the reasons why some colors were used in some certain areas, I could reduce the data number and so I could easily learn. : I got an idea after I asked the question. One explanation may be that, for example, the plants or vegetables which give the darker yellow were growing up much in the eastern anatolia only. If this is true and if I were a botany scientist, would I easily judge about any rug's origin by looking at its color only : Regards and thanks again, : Erol

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