Re: Another Kurdish rug that fits Daniel's Group

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Posted by Michael Wendorf on December 30, 1998 at 20:25:56:

In Reply to: Re: Another Kurdish rug that fits Daniel's Group posted by Daniel Deschuyteneer on December 30, 1998 at 18:59:53:

: Dear Marvin,

: The rug you posted is very interesting and can be related with one of the Dodds collection which is illustrated in Oriental Rugs from Atlantic Collections plate 111 page 107.

: I think Wendel and Ulrich Alheim proposed a Sauj Bulak Kurdish attribution for this rug.

: I have other pictures of a very similar one and I am asking to the owner if he would agree that I post them on the board.

: The owner said me that he bought it in Irak and that he thought it originated from the Herki tribes.

: This rug as yours has flat selvedges and his attribution makes sense as normally (following Eagleton) Sauj Bulag rugs have rounded overcast selvedges. It's also interesting to notice that your rug and the Dodds one have red wefts. It seems that this feature if not specifically was very common in this area.

: What's sure is that similar design could have been used by different tribes in this area.

: Here is the picture of the related Dodds "2" rug that has been labeled Shasavan, northwestern Iran, 1/3rd quarter 19th century. As Shasavan tribes have very rarely woven pile rugs I am not sure that this attribution is correct.

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: Comments of the author:
: Size: 11.5" x 16"
: Warp: ivory wool, Z2S, level
: Wefts: red wool, 1-Z spun strand and then Z2S, 2-4 shoots
: Knot: symmetrical 38/sq. inch
: Ends: stripped

Dear Daniel and Marvin:

I was about to make the same reference when I saw your post. I still have a few comments: The Dodds rug is on a brown ground, consistent with the others. The small radiating devices surrounding a diamond shape that appear in the minor borders and in the palmettes are typically associated with Kurdish rugs in both eastern Anatolia and Persia. In particular, it is one of the more common minor borders is so-called Sanjabi or Jaff rugs, though not so much in bags. The major border is also fairly common in Sanjabi or Jaff rugs and is seen partly rendered in the Eagleton rug posted yesterday. I also consider the rug Marvin posted to have a border I only know from Kurdish rugs. Interestingly, it seems to be used on both sides of the mountains. These two rugs together seem to be stronger evidence of Kurdish and Sauj Bulagh attribution together than apart.
Thank you. Michael Wendorf

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: : : Dear Marvin, : : The rug you posted is very interesting and can be related with one of the Dodds collection which is illustrated in Oriental Rugs from Atlantic Collections plate 111 page 107. : : I think Wendel and Ulrich Alheim proposed a Sauj Bulak Kurdish attribution for this rug. : : I have other pictures of a very similar one and I am asking to the owner if he would agree that I post them on the board. : : The owner said me that he bought it in Irak and that he thought it originated from the Herki tribes. : : This rug as yours has flat selvedges and his attribution makes sense as normally (following Eagleton) Sauj Bulag rugs have rounded overcast selvedges. It's also interesting to notice that your rug and the Dodds one have red wefts. It seems that this feature if not specifically was very common in this area. : : What's sure is that similar design could have been used by different tribes in this area. : : Here is the picture of the related Dodds "2" rug that has been labeled Shasavan, northwestern Iran, 1/3rd quarter 19th century. As Shasavan tribes have very rarely woven pile rugs I am not sure that this attribution is correct. : : : : ***************TO INSERT PICTURE : : Comments of the author: : : Size: 11.5" x 16" : : Warp: ivory wool, Z2S, level : : Wefts: red wool, 1-Z spun strand and then Z2S, 2-4 shoots : : Knot: symmetrical 38/sq. inch : : Ends: stripped : Dear Daniel and Marvin: : I was about to make the same reference when I saw your post. I still have a few comments: The Dodds rug is on a brown ground, consistent with the others. The small radiating devices surrounding a diamond shape that appear in the minor borders and in the palmettes are typically associated with Kurdish rugs in both eastern Anatolia and Persia. In particular, it is one of the more common minor borders is so-called Sanjabi or Jaff rugs, though not so much in bags. The major border is also fairly common in Sanjabi or Jaff rugs and is seen partly rendered in the Eagleton rug posted yesterday. I also consider the rug Marvin posted to have a border I only know from Kurdish rugs. Interestingly, it seems to be used on both sides of the mountains. These two rugs together seem to be stronger evidence of Kurdish and Sauj Bulagh attribution together than apart. : Thank you. Michael Wendorf

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