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A rug from my father- can you kindly tell me its origin and age?
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Welcome to Turkotek, Gerard.
I would say more probably Ersari - Beshir or groups in the middle Amu Darya (MAD) region, given the structure and colors.
Have a look at this archived thread on the subject:
http://www.turkotek.com/misc_00068/mad_sersari.htm
But I am not sure that the selvedges fits with that classification...
Regards,
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Hi Gerard,
It doesn’t look ‘Baluch’ to me, either. If you could post the dimensions and a picture of the entire rug, it would be helpful for identification.
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Thanks Filiberto and Joel.
the rug is four by three.Comment
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OK - the repeated motif in the field of you rug is called "aina gul" or "aina kochak gul" and is used by the Tekke Turkoman.
But yours doesnt' look like a Tekke Rug.
The design in the borders remind me of a Tribal Persian. Luri, may be?
I am not at home and I cannot check my books
I'll try the web later...
I hope that somebody else comes up with an idea, in the meantime.
Regards,
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Gerard,
From the close-up photo, it looks like the warps (the threads emerging from the bottom of the rug) may be cotton. Can you tell whether that’s the case?
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Hello Gerard and others,
Let me throw out a South West Persian designation, possibly Afshar. The main border, the quincunx lines, the squarish format, and the very white, cotton looking warps are all seen in Afshar work. The palette also fits best in a SWP context IMO. I do not remember seeing the field design in SWP rugs, but if the rest fits... As to age, mid 20th century??? But that is always guesswork with this kind of village rugs.Comment
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You are right, Dinie, I was thinking to that squarish format too. The age could be right.
Still looking for that main border design, but so far found nothing in the Afshar compartment.
Filiberto
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Here we go:Still looking for that main border design, but so far found nothing in the Afshar compartment.
Although most Afshar pile rugs have at least some warp depression, there are some with flat backs. But, can you recall any Afshar weavings with Turkmen guls?
Joel
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No, I don't. But I did find two almost identical Afshars with this border.
The selvedges are different though.
So, shall we call Gerard's rug "probably Afshar?
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Joel, I see full warp depression??? Also unusual for Afshar, but the other way around.Comment
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I think that the OP rug is far enough into the 20th century that looking for specific tribal affiliation may be difficult/impossible. The border is definitely Afshar, though some elements are missing, but the aina gul field is not an Afshar thing. I think this is a compilation of design elements, and I am intrigued that the dyes seem to be good... are they chrome? I don't think so, but I've been fooled before. Still, they look good, which I wouldn't expect to see in a c. 1920-30 piece like this. I think it's kind-of mysterious.Comment
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Hi Dinie,Joel, I see full warp depression??? Also unusual for Afshar, but the other way around.
On closer inspection, so do I.
Fully depressed warps are more common than no warp depression on Afshar rugs, according to Tanavoli.
I agree with Paul that this rug is probably too late to be trying to put it into a ‘tribal’ category. By the time it was woven, popular designs from throughout the larger weaving area were being incorporated to produce rugs destined for the world market.
Joel
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I would suggest a recent Afghan productComment
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Welcome back Marvin! A "cheers" to you too!
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