October 2nd, 2009, 11:14 AM   1
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Dimensions as criteria for attribution?

Hi Joel

I enjoyed reading your essay. Until a few days ago I was comfortable in my ignorance and thought that "yuruk" simply meant "nomad" and referred to any nomadic peoples in Anatolia.

The question of how to distinguish the rugs of east Anatolian Kurdish weavers from those of east Anatolian Yuruks seems pretty difficult to me. I wonder if the dimensions of the pieces might be starting points. Several of the rugs in your essay look to be pretty big, and it's my impression that nomads generally made small rugs and bags because they had no use for large carpets and would have problems moving them between their seasonal pastures. If that's true, the big carpets are probably Kurdish products. Taking this line of speculation even further, perhaps there are characteristics of the big pieces that could be criteria for distinguishing Yuruk (nomadic) small pieces from small pieces woven by settled people (mostly Kurds in eastern Anatolia).

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October 2nd, 2009, 05:54 PM   2
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Hi Steve,

You suggest that perhaps a way to begin the process of distinguishing eastern Anatolian Kurdish from Yuruk weavings might be to study larger pieces, assuming these to have been produced by Kurds and then apply some characteristics from these to parse smaller Kurdish and Yuruk pieces. In order to sort this out, let me uncouple the large/small distinction from the Kurdish/Yuruk one.

It’s my understanding that the Kurds were not just the largest group, but also the largest group of nomads in eastern Anatolia in the years in which the pile rugs I focused on were probably woven (i.e. 1860-1930). All but one of the pieces in the salon (and these are fairly representative of the pile pieces listed as Yuruk in major auctions) including the long Kurdish ‘runner’ are narrower than 45” wide. All of these could have been woven on looms of the sort that were carried by nomads on migrations. A number of these rugs (mine is an example) show signs that suggest nomadic origin, such as being uneven or crooked as a result of the unevenness of warp tension that often results from using a loom with beams light enough to be portable. It would seem likely that most of the pile pieces coming from this area that were produced at this period that appear nomadic are probably Kurdish.

While there are many smaller flat-woven pieces from eastern Anatolia that are attributed to Kurds and some to Yuruk, I have seen few small pile rugs or bags attributed to either. There are many small pile pieces by Kurds from nearby regions (most notably Jaf, Sanjabi and Hereke), but none of these seem to display the prominent characteristics of the larger eastern Anatolian Kurdish weavings.

Perhaps folks with greater familiarity with the small pile weavings of the area can help us out here.


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October 2nd, 2009, 09:00 PM   3
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Hi Joel

My suggestion about using size as an attribution criterion appears to be a shot taken wide of the mark. Most speculations are, so it isn't too distressing.

You wrote, Perhaps folks with greater familiarity with the small pile weavings of the area can help us out here. It's kind of disappointing to learn of what appear to be inconsistencies in Eagleton's attributions. With his extensive first hand connections in the area, he should have been the definitive source.

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October 3rd, 2009, 08:53 AM  4
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Hi Steve,

Saying that there were few small pile weavings from this area was, of course, overlooking the substantial pool of east Anatolian yastiks. Morehouse illustrates forty yastiks that he attributes to this region. In many cases, these are smaller pieces that contain common features of color, design and structure with larger Kurdish rugs. In a number of instances, Eagleton is his source for the models he uses for anchoring a piece in a particular location. For instance, a number of of the yastiks are variants of two common designs that also frequently feature offset knotting. Here is a yastik in the "baklava" design also used in rug #6 in the salon.



While offset knotting doesn’t seem to be common in the western parts of eastern Anatolia, including Malatya and Gaziantep (the area Burns call Western Anatolia), it is characteristic of much Kurdish weaving in the areas further east (Central and Northern Anatolia). So, while the absence of offset knotting doesn’t rule out a Kurdish attribution for pieces from eastern Anatolia, its presence surely strengthens one.

Morehouse includes this yastik that he believes is likely to have been woven by Turks or assimilated Kurds partly based on the absence of offset knotting “in the angular bird’s head hooks.” He also cites the combination of the violet-brown in the border with the wide range of colors in the piece.



Perhaps such uses of color are the best clue we have in trying to differentiate Kurdish from all Turkic (including Yuruk) pile weaving in the region.


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October 3rd, 2009, 12:17 PM   5
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Hi Joel

Now that I know that Kurdish nomads don't qualify as Yuruks, I've got to find a way to wrap my brain around the notion that Gaziantep is in western Anatolia? It's gonna be tough.

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October 3rd, 2009, 12:32 PM   6
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Hi Steve,

My bad. Those were typos.

Burns refers to Gaziantep and Malatya as being situated in what he terms Western Kurdistan as opposed to Central Kurdistan (where many Jaf and Herki reside in Iraq) and Northern Kurdistan (which includes the area around Lake Van and further north up to Kars).

Putting Gaziantep into western Anatolia would not only upend all normal categorization (and geographical logic), but also undermine whatever distinctions I was trying to highlight in the salon.

Thanks for calling attention to the 'slips of the keyboard'.

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October 3rd, 2009, 01:16 PM  7
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Hi Joel

That's quite a relief.



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October 4th, 2009, 02:32 PM   8
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Hi Joel,

Thank you for a very thought-provoking exposé. These are questions I have often asked myself. Perhaps at the heart of the confusion is the fact that it may not always be possible to make a clear-cut distinction between Kurds and Turks. It is my understanding that apart from nomadic pastoralists and very isolated villages, there was from early on a certain degree of mixing between the communities.

Certainly in Ottoman times the question of ethnicity would have been much less pronounced than it has been in modern times. More emphasis would have been placed on common religion (i.e a Sunni would be unlikely to marry an Alevi or a Christian). As to the question of rug attribution, it is interesting to note that Morehouse states as much when he proposes that the second yastik was woven by 'assimilated' Kurds or Turks.

Shown below are two rugs that share basically the same design pool, but differ considerably in color and texture.





Grouping the weavings by color and texture, and comparing them to rugs of known provenance would help pinpoint the areas of production. One might then proceed to research the ethnic make-up of the local population (bearing in mind that this might have changed considerably over the years). This method would still only provide probabilities, since in many cases Turk and Kurd communities were living in close proximity. Furthermore nomadic pastoralists would often be covering large distances between the seasons. For a more accurate determination as to the ethnic origin of the weaver, it might be best to look at the small tell-tale signs such as the end and side finishes, which are most likely to have passed uninterrupted from mother to daughter.

The question remains, however: in the context of pile rug production is this a really meaningful distinction - or are we simply indulging our collectors' urge for a neat 'tribal' classification?
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Hi Alex,

I agree that “tell-tale” signs like side and end finishes provide the surest indicators we have for attributing origin. When we can combine such clues with color choices, pile length, knot density and other textural features, we can sometimes feel reasonably certain in ascribing the piece to a particular group and place.

For example, what made me feel most confident in attributing my rug to Kurds in the Gaziantep area was the end finish that combined a particular design of weft float brocading well-documented as locally characteristic with a common form of Kurdish oblique wrapping. In addition, the side finishes featured bands of two-color herringbone overcast, a reliable indicator of the weavings of Anatolian Kurds.

Where I think the differentiation problem becomes acute in trying to identify east Anatolian Yuruk pile rugs is in linking particular signs to pieces of known provenance. The only such pieces I am aware of are the two published in Flowers of the Yayla. These are in black and white with little identifying information.







While Landreau and Yohe mention Yuruk informants speaking of pile weaving in the past, there is no documentation of such pieces. I am not aware of even a limited pool of eastern Anatolian Yuruk pile weavings that we could use as a basis for discovering characteristic “tell-tale” signs as pegs for tentative attributions of pieces that are not clearly Kurdish. Design similarities to flat-woven pieces of known Yuruk provenance don’t seem unambiguous enough to get the project off the ground.

Perhaps another approach is to look to pile weaving by West Anatolian Yuruk groups, particularly for elements of design and palette that might link them with ambiguous production further to the east. Here are two examples published by Bruggemann and Bohmer. The first is from the Yagcibedir, settled Yuruks from villages near Balikesir:




The next is from the settled Karakecili:





In terms of the two rugs you posted, if they are in your possession, could you possibly post some close-up images that might illustrate the differences in texture and side/end finishes. If that isn’t feasible, could you describe those differences?

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October 5th, 2009, 08:46 AM 10
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Hi Joel,

Great choice for a salon. I think there has always been a certain discomfort level in rugdom over the indiscriminate application of the “Yuruk” label to what were (are) for the most part, Kurdish rugs. Some writers acknowledge that the term is loose, and seem to justify its broad application on account of its literal meaning, denoting a mountain dweller or wanderer, notwithstanding the opinion of Bruggemann and Bohmer. There appears to be a shrugging use of the term through the years due to the inability of many persons to assign the rugs more specifically. As far as I’m concerned, the term indicates a familiar variety of Eastern Anatolian/Kurdistan rugs that appear to bear the hallmarks of nomadic and rustic production. However, I have no sense of a distinct weave or group of weaves that are assignable to “true” Yuruks.

No doubt, there are such rugs within the very large variety of Anatolian weaving. J. Iten-Maritz, a European dealer, in his large and profusely illustrated book, Turkish Carpets (1975), appears to distinguish Eastern Anatolian Kurdish rugs from Yuruk rugs without making too much of a point of it. He shows mostly mid-twentieth century production. He makes the interesting point that Kurdish production is apt to reflect a similarity within the rubric, even though the weavers may live hundreds of miles apart; whereas Yuruks tend to reflect the designs of the settled population of weavers in the areas within which they move. In fact, he says that dealers in Turkey were in the habit of referring to the Yuruk work by the name of the region, with the term, “Yuruk,” added as a suffix in those cases where they were able to pinpoint the area of production. Thus, a Yuruk rug woven in a Konya style would be called, “Konya Yuruk.” Like all written accounts in this field, one never knows how much to credit, but the practice he mentions would be justifiable in those terms.

As the vague use of the term, “Yuruk,” has been around for some time, one wonders how it got started. When looking for a smoking gun in the course of trying to track down canards in this field, I’ve always looked first to Mumford, as it seems he set the baseline for so many notions, good and bad. Writing in 1901, he seems to have caught the note of confusion between the people and the rugs well enough to have set everyone on a course of further confusion. He describes the Yuruk as “mountaineers,” and connects them with Kirghiz and Turkomans. He quotes an excerpt from Charles C. MacFarlane that seems to refer to a Turkic people. On the other hand, the rugs he ascribes to them sound very much like what I think to be Kurdish work from Eastern Turkey. They are “…dark affairs, with the heavy. Ashen brown hue prevailing, brightened by titanic patterns in wonderfully rich colors.” He mentions brown wool warps, “fierce looking knotted braids,” and selvages overcast in colored yarns. And he says they have a “peculiar softness.” These sound like the characteristics of the familiar, marketplace “Yuruk.”

I hope to scan a few images of various published items to add to your tally. For now, the following piece illustrates some of the familiar features of the apparently misnamed “Yuruk” rug.



The design above, in detail, is a familiar traditional rendition in the “Yuruk” (in the marketplace sense) repertoire.


Above are some “fierce looking knotted braids.”



This selvage treatment is distinctive for this group on account of the manner in which the yarn is twisted along the top, like a fancy Scandinavian pastry.

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October 6th, 2009, 08:13 PM  11
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Dear Joel,

It be some time before I can get close-up pictures of the rugs. If I remember correctly both had brown wefts, but the red/orange rug had tighter wefting and that unmistakably fluffy wool I associate with east Anatolian weaving.
In contrast, the other rug is more loosely knotted, and the camel field is actually camel wool - which I suppose may be an indication of being woven by Yoruk.
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Hi Rich,

Given our current muddle in trying to sort out what rugdom did/does/should mean by Yuruk, it seems useful to try to reconstruct a bit of the genealogy of the discourse on Yuruk rugs.

While Mumford gets it right that the Yuruk are specifically Turkic “mountaineers”, his description of their rugs certainly sounds like those we associate with their Kurdish neighbors, down to their brown wool warps, “fierce-looking” knotted braids, “peculiar softness” and lack of symmetry.

G. Griffen Lewis (1913 ) also lists Yuruk rugs separately from Kurdish (“Mosul”) ones. He cites their braided warp ends, brown wool warp and, like Mumford, notes that the sides are often overcast with colored yarns. As to palette, Lewis says that “brilliant dark colors” prevail, particularly browns and blues. For Mosul rugs (produced by Kurds around Lake Van) the description is very similar with a listing of “usually dark, rich blues, yellows, greens, reds and browns” as the predominant colors.

Here’s the Yuruk from Lewis:





Hawley (1913), describes Yuruks as “tribes of Turkoman descent.” He calls their rugs “entirely distinct” from those woven by any other group in Asia Minor. He likens them to Kazaks as “in them will be recognized the same long nap, the same massing of color, the same profusion of latch-hooks, and other simple designs.” He also mentions that they have adopted some forms from “the Kurdish tribes to the east.” He may here be referring to Yuruk pile weavers in central Anatolia. When it comes to describing the rugs woven by the “Kurds of Asiatic Turkey”, he writes that “brown is very largely used. There are also dark reds and blues brightened by dashes of white and yellow. Their “long nap and long shaggy fringe…give these pieces a semi-barbaric appearance.”

While all three authors clearly believe there is a recognizable distinction between Turkic Yuruk and Anatolian Kurdish rugs, it is difficult to get from their descriptions of what those distinctions consist. In addition, there is no indication of the geographical location of the Yuruk groups they describe. It is unclear if any of these Yuruk pile rugs were being produced in eastern Anatolia and not further west by the Yuncu, Yaghcibedir, or other western Anatolian Yuruk groups.


Iten-Maritz’s description of the Yuruk contributes an almost comic note to the confusion by stating “their carpets do have one feature in common-they all bear the mark of independence.” This manifests itself in “a rather imprecise, highly original design,” While Iten-Maritz indicates that Yuruk rugs take on the character of the locations in which they graze their sheep or reside during the winter, all of the hyphenated Yuruk types he illustrates are in either western or central Anatolia. The one possibly useful indicator for trying to differentiate the pile weavings of Yuruks in eastern Anatolia is his statement that “the stepped mihrab is common to Yuruks of every region.” (note the stepped mihrab in picture # 5 in the salon). He includes one eastern Anatolian rug of this type.






Here's a scene from Iten-Maritz of Yuruks washing rugs. I can't tell if there are any pile rugs among them.






Finally there is Jacobsen (1962) who identifies Yuruk rugs as coming from eastern Turkey adjacent to Persia. He states that after 1915, Yuruks were only being produced “in scatter sizes.” He includes a black and white photo of a “typical non-prayer Yuruk” whose field is a “slight magenta-like red. The designs are ivory, green salmon and plum.” Writing about the confusion of Yuruk with Kurdish rugs in 1988, Eagleton says that "dealers in Turkey have no problem separating the weavings of one group from the other." Unfortunately, he gives us no guidance on how they make the distinction.

Here’s Jacobsen’s Yuruk:



And, for a contemporary touch, here’s a rug listed as Yuruk that was up for auction yesterday in London:





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October 7th, 2009, 05:50 PM   13
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Hi Joel,

a very interesting Salon! Using the same sources (Eagleton, Denny, Brueggemann & Boehmer, Landreau & Yohe, and (in addition) Hegenbarth (Anatolische Dorfteppiche vom Ende des Sultanats)) I have come to the exact same conclusions: that the use of the attribution 'Yuruk' is rather loose and insubstantiated by precise characteristics. (Hegenbarth, by the way, does not differentiate between Yörüks and Kurds: he describes a Siirt- Yörük rug (p.127) as originating from a Kurdish extended family, claiming that the wandering Kurds are commonly called Yuruks (Yörüken) in Turkey. Could that be true?)

It seems difficult to resolve the ambiguities of attribution without a little bit more of ethnographic knowledge and down-to-earth field research.

I have asked Sonny Berntsson (who has travelled Turkey many times) to chime in and add to his two pence to this discussion. And what about contributors from Turkey? Are there any active on the Turkotek site? Could they shed light on the problem?

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October 7th, 2009, 07:21 PM   14
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Hi Detlev,

You are just right, and I hope some people with a lot of knowledge "on the ground" in Turkey accept your invitation and join the discussion. I suspect the proper sorting out of the rustic rugs from that region is a much more complicated matter than merely deciding whether Yuruk or Kurd. It would be helpful to have some knowledgeable comment along those lines. We saw in Patrick's salon on Shahsavan that the situation in Northwest Iran was in reality quite complex, and I believe it is the same with the rugs Joel is dealing with.

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October 7th, 2009, 08:27 PM  15
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Hi All

One thing to bear in mind is that Rugdom can be incredibly stubborn about clinging to outdated and erroneous attributions. I'm reminded of a Textile Museum Rug Convention on the subject of tribal rugs, perhaps 20 or 25 years ago, when Lois Beck opened her lecture on Qashqa'i weaving by solemnly informing the audience that Persia no linger exists under that name and the proper attribution for south Persian rugs is south Iranian.

It wasn't that we didn't know, we just didn't care. There's a lesson in there somewhere.

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October 8th, 2009, 09:50 PM  16
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While we're on the subject...

Hi Joel,

A couple of incidental comments. I saw the the items in the sale of Eagleton's rugs where you acquired your piece. You will note that the long rug you showed (with the number 7 below the image) is missing the outside guard border on one side. Perhaps you noticed that it was one of a pair, and the second one was also missing just that border only on the one side. What was up with that? Why do people do such things?

The second comment is that I happen to have a copy of that 1982 "Yuruk" calendar you mentioned in the essay. It was published by two dealers who operated under the name, "Baktiari" in San Francisco. It included excellent color images of twelve excellent rugs that were clearly "Yuruk"in the traditional market sense, each of which had an analysis of 200 to 400 words, as well as a short (700-800 words) essay by Walter Denny. Astonishing was that in the whole thing, the words, "Kurd," "Kurdish," or "Kurdistan" did not appear one single time. So, I guess there has been some advance in awareness in this area.

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Hi Rich,

While Jenny Housego's Tribal Rugs included many Kurdish rugs and was published in 1978, it didn't include work from Turkey. The essays and pictures accompanying the exhibition Discoveries from Kurdish Looms came out in 1983. In that volume, Yohe returns to the discussion he published in Yoruk: The Nomadic Weaving Tradition of the Middle East in 1978 where he attributed the rugs he now identified as Kurdish as "Rugs of the Yuruk Triangle." He reasserts this correction in the 1983 Textile Museum publication, Flowers of the Yayla. Strange as it seems from our current vantage point, the Kurdish weaving tradition in Anatolia appears to have vanished from the horizon of commentators by the time that 1982 Yuruk calendar was published and Denny was writing the commentary. It seems to have begun its comeback the following year.

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October 17th, 2009, 08:06 AM   18
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Hi Rich,

Also published in 1983 was Jon Thompson’s influential Carpet Magic. In it, he refers to rugs “called simply ‘Yuruk’ or nomad” made by Kurdish speakers from eastern Turkey. Interestingly, when he refers to rugs made by Yuruk tribes in Western Anatolia he uses their tribal name, as with the Yuncu.

He included two Kurdish “Yuruk” rugs in that volume. While he describes their designs as coming from various influences (including urban patterns and Turkmen guls), he cites their “distinctive colouring.” in describing the first of these:





The difference between these two in terms of color is reminiscent of the contrast between the two rugs Alex posted in frame #8 of this thread. As in Alex’s second rug, the first here has a camel-colored field. Though it appears in some of the rugs that get characterized as Yuruk, it actually seems an unusual feature. The colors look more like those in Eagleton’s Kars example in #9 of the "Sorting Out" thread. Since I don’t see the palette of Thompson’s first rug as particularly Yuruk (or “so-called Yuruk”, i.e. east Anatolian Kurdish) his “distinctive colour” criterion is lost on me.

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The palette... often features cochineal red, a very characteristic burnt orange, and a powerful mid-blue. The corrosive black one finds in them is usually very intensely black. There tend to be many secondary colors, often unusual relative to other rugs.
How do the colors in the first rug stack up to the Larkin color criteria for Yurukness?

I’m starting to think that the Yuruk category is a sort of Rug Rorschach test. I’m just not sure what it diagnoses?

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Hi Joel,

As I suggested in an earlier post, some rugs seem to be more Yuruk than others. I made the analogy to "Baluchi-i-ness" in that regard that I think holds up here. So, there are particular features in any rug that are apt to get me thinking "Yuruk." The more, the "Yurukier."

Referring to your two posted examples, though they differ between themselves, each of them is squarely in the discussion for me. I agree that the occurrence of large areas of camel-colored wool isn't a hallmark; but if you subtract that feature from #1, the remaining characteristics are quite Yuruk, including the intense cochineal shade of red, the lively blues, and the three octagonal medallions (discounting the odd notches). Interestingly, there is a bit of orange, but (near as I can tell) only once on each side of the border just off the top of the middle medallion. It is hard to tell from the shot, but the selvages look like they might exhibit Yuruk technique, too, similar to the detail shot I posted in the "sorting" thread.

Your second image is quite different from the first, but the orange and the strong mid-light green, as well as the design and secondary ornament, compel consideration of the Yuruk label. Having regard to the two posts Alex provided, I would consider the first to be close to the center of the Yuruk molecule. The second isn't in it, however, for me. Rather, it falls within the pseudo-Caucasian bracket, which doesn't overlap much with the Yuruk bracket, in my mind.

Of course, my idea of Yuruk doesn't mean much outside my cave. I'm only trying to make the point that I think the traditional rubric, "Yuruk," does describe a certain group of weavings, fuzzy as the criteria might be at the edges (not to say the selvages), that are recognized in the trade. Your salon has helped me to focus on the fact that the rug marketplace probably never intended to provide ethnographically accurate information about the weavers of rugs bearing the name. Dealers, when pressed to comment in such regard, would typically come up with something, thus compounding the confusion. As Steve suggested, dealers as a class tend to be willing to produce interesting lore that will promote sales. They may or may not actually believe it, individually. They may or may not even care. However, I would say now (having been focused on the question by you) that the rug literature has seldom even attempted to address seriously the question you have raised, i. e., the connection between the people properly called "Yuruk," and the rugs of the same putative name.

A quite sobering realization for me is that the impressive group of researchers and commentators that produced the exhibition and catalog actually called, Yörük, The Nomadic Weaving Tradition of the Middle East, in 1978, missed the point almost completely. I had a passing acquaintance with several of them at that time, enough to know that there was no question about their collective sincerity and diligence in seeking to document the history of rural and tribal weaving near the end of its meaningful era. And yet, they missed this obvious issue. It serves as a caution for anyone surveying any literature on these subjects.

Anyway, I'll get off the soapbox to address further your actual question. In this thread, two rugs that would have me thinking Yuruk are the ones in your post #4. The first one for the color, the distinctive handling of the design, and what I imagine the tactile qualities are. The second one might give me pause on account of the apparent use of offset knotting. That isn't a feature of what I would call Yuruk.

Rich Larkin