October 29th, 2009, 05:05 PM   1
Horst Nitz
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A Rug by All

Hello Joel,

first, congratulations to the new acquisition and the interesting salon you have been building around it.

Much has been said and I am chipping in late. What I can offer at this stage is an access to your rug that has remained unmentioned. Together with other rugs that have been posted here it constitutes a group that as far as geographical distribution is concerned, stretches from the very west of Kurdish settlement areas to the Caucasus. I take this as an indication of it belonging to a traditional group much favoured at some time. For easier comparison I have pasted those rugs already introduced here again; one is added by me, it had been up on auction earlier this year at Rippon Boswell:













If we drew a line between Malatya and the Karabagh and tried an estimate of the distribution of ethnic groups, we perhaps would conclude that roughly 50% were Kurdish. This was not always so. Just as an example, I offer the links to the English and German Wikipedia sites on Hasankeyf, a Kurdish town located in what one could call the heart of Turkish Kurdistan. The German site is more particular about it and mentions, that in the 16th century 60 % of the population was Christian. Who then were the others? Probably not 40% Kurdish, but to some extend an indigenous population that with the wake of Islam had turned Muslim from former Zoroastrism. This is because we are talking of an area that was under Persian (Safavid) influence until the battle of Caldiran in 1514 like the rest of East Anatolia, the Euphrates having been the Persian border to the Roman Empire and its successor for a period of about 1.800 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasankeyf

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasankeyf

It seems that Kurds moved down from the mountains filling the vacuum left by those groups that left for Safavid Persia after Caldiran. Further east the Kurds were granted privileges for their alliance with the Ottomans, including such over their new Christian neighbours to have their livestock installed in their stables during winter, setting them (the Kurds) free to guard the border to Persia (also Harald Böhmer makes mentioning of this). This may be the historical background for the gradual assimilation of rug designs of a sedentary, partly Christian population by Kurdish newcomers to the somewhat lower regions

And the Yörük lineage? There is one particular rug of the group in existence that in quality of design ascents far above all others:



We had discussed it at an earlier salon. Christine Klose saw in it a Timurid link; Walter Denny would probably count it to the classical Turkish rugs. I prefer to understand it as a proponent of the ‘integrative’ type, marking the long spanned transition from a Christian tradition to the Muslimic, in this particular case to the Turkmen Anatolian one. In the earlier salon I had compared it with rug A-28 in the Vakiflar and with an Afshar rug in the Hali article by P. Tanavoli:

http://www.turkotek.com/mini_salon_00016/ms_16_t1.htm

Structurally all three are identical. It has to be remembered that the Afshar were among the first Turkoman groups that reached Anatolia, and to the present day they settle in Turkey as well as in Persia.

On the basis of what we know I don’t think it is possible to determine whether the Transylvanian triple-medallion rug is the direct ancestor of rugs like yours (on the sloping path of fragmentation and conventionalism); I rather think, yours belongs to an older group of rugs that existed before and after, the Transylvanian rug having due to favourable conditions (Turkoman court influence on the design at the time of Turkoman rule in Persia/East Anatolia during the previous century?) ascended to an all time high in design of its type. This in my opinion may be your Yörük link, and your rug is as East Anatolian as East Anatolian can be, i.e. more than one group had its fingers in the pie here, or better, on the loom.

Regards,

Horst

Last edited by Horst Nitz; November 3rd, 2009 at 02:57 AM.
November 4th, 2009, 06:40 AM   2
Horst Nitz
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Hi all,

I had forgotten to paste the Rippon Boswell rug. Its in now, Steve has done it.
Regards,

Horst
November 4th, 2009, 12:39 PM  3
Marvin Amstey
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Yuruk Prayer

Given all the images that have been posted on this salon of East Anatolian rugs, I have seen none of this common type prayer rug.


An interesting aspect of this rug is that the lighter apricot color in the lower main border is a corrosive dye. No corrosion appears anywhere else. This is a phenomenon that I have not encountered in the past. Any dye experts out there to explain this: acid mordants (why not for the darker apricot?)????
November 4th, 2009, 04:06 PM   4
Joel Greifinger
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East Anatolian prayer designs

Hi Marvin,

Wouldn't you say that rugs #9, #11 and especially #12 from the Salon bear notable similarities to your prayer rug? Here they are for comparison:

#9:


#11:


and #12:


I hope we hear some theories about your mysterious light apricot border corrosion.

Joel Greifinger

Last edited by Joel Greifinger; November 4th, 2009 at 04:58 PM.
November 5th, 2009, 09:41 AM   5
Marvin Amstey
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They certainly do; I missed seeing them- sorry.
November 5th, 2009, 10:06 AM   6
Steve Price
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Hi Marvin

I believe that your prayer rug (and its relatives) belong to a group burned into my memory by an illustration in Douglass and Peters' The Lost Language (1990). Here it is, reproduced from HALI (#58, p. 71):



It brings to mind the famous anecdote about the discovery of Archimedes' principle, in which the great man was in his bathtub, looked down, and exclaimed, "Urethra! I've found it!"

Regards

Steve Price
November 5th, 2009, 04:56 PM   7
Marvin Amstey
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Looks just like my anatomy book.