A Textile-Related Item of Painted Wood
Dear folks -
As I said, the second shop we were in in Bergama was that
of a dealer in Ottoman antiques, primarily metal, wood, jewelry, tile, etc.
Textiles were not important to his business, although I bought both the sash and
the heybe from him.
But wandering initially in the shop, the first item
that attracted my eye was a turned and painted item of wood. Nicely shaped and
pleasantly colorful.
I asked what it was. The dealer said that it was from Central
Asia and was used as a kind of "needle" to put the cord into the bottom of
women's pantaloons. He folded over a piece of cloth and inserted the piece into
the opening to demonstrate. I liked it as an "object d'art," and included it
when we did our final bidding.
Down the road I showed it to other folks
and asked their opinons. The experienced Ottoman dealer in Selcuk didn't
question the described usage, but said that it was perhaps only 20 years old.
Another dealer in Anatolya also seemed to accept the described usage, but said
that it had to be at least 60-70 years old because the process for inserting
such cords was modernized that far back.
But when I got to Cappadocia,
the dealer there, shook his head and said that he did not think it was used in
the described way at all. He said that he thought that it was the part of an
antique spinning wheel and that he had a couple of them in various stages of
completeness in the shop.
Here is one that I took through his front
window.
And
here is another that sat inside on the floor.
I think his suggestion is
convincing. I notice on my piece that there is no decoration on the bottom end,
precisely where it would have been inserted into a wooden base.
Isn't it
interesting the variety of indications serious dealers will give or accept
concerning what something is and how it was used? I don't think anyone in this
sequence was trying to deceive. They were simply honestly mistaken. And it may
well be that there were similar "needle-like" devices for threading cord in the
bottoms of pantaloons and that this piece resembles them. Such cords had to be
inserted somehow.
Regards,
R. John Howe
G'day John,
Yep, its certainly an interesting thing, trying to ascribe
a use for something unknown found out of the blue. Its also another example of
my belief that some peoples intreguing minds strike it right quite often
...
How lucky (or precient)for you to find an old item connected to one of your primary passions,
weaving/s! On your last photo, the wooden turned rod in the lower left, showing
it thrust beneath the wheel block appears to have a function which your piece
would serve well for.
Dont we all love old stuff!! Wonderful
find.
Regards,
Marty.
John,
Thanks for posting this excellent find. It is a multi purpose
measuring tool. Probably mostly used for attaining harmoniously proportioned
stripes. While I knew such tools must have existed, and have been looking high
and low for one for a few years, this is the first one I've seen. Sue
Sue -
Say a bit more about how you think this item was used in
measuring. And what about it suggests this use to you?
As I've looked at
it, I have become more doubtful about it's being part of an antique spinning
wheel, mostly because of its size (it's 9.5 inches long and 0.75 inches wide at
its widest diameter).
It seems very similar in shape to some spinning
wheel parts, but its size would suggest that the wheel that it might have been a
part of would have to have been diminutive indeed.
So I'm open to other
suggestions again.
Regards,
R. John Howe
Hi John,
On a very basic level, (there are several others), the tool's
3 dark lines mark out phi proportions. The bottom one to the middle one stand
for 1. The middle one to the top one would be 1.608..times that. Golden mean
proportioning, in other words.
The weavers would hold the tool right
where the paint has rubbed off and move it closer or nearer towards their eyes
to gauge where to begin and end stripes on a kilim, as they were weaving, just
as a for instance.
If you use the tool that way to line up stripes,
yourself, in front of old kilims in books you will quickly see what I mean. You
will have to flip the tool over often as it is a tool made for weavers not for
designers. Designers had better tools.
By the way, these nice old
spinning wheels pictured were quickly, systematically, and maliciously destroyed
beyond repair for some reason. Sue
John, and anyone else,
Due to scale the following will be more useful
for gauging phi relationships in rug book photos. The proportions can be mark
off from here and used as little Phi rulers.
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Sue -
Interesting.
Do you know whether there are photographs
of a weaver using such a tool in this way?
Some aspects of weaving are
never documented.
The DOBAG weaver I observed put the wefts through
entirely by hand (she pulled the warps apart by hand to do it, although there
was some narrow separation of alternate warps before she began). It took her
about three efforts of this sort to take a pick of weft through all the warps
and on top of a given row of knots. I had expected a single pass through using
some sort of shuttle.
Regards,
R. John Howe
John,
I can continue but first do you find the measuring test
understandable? Could you try it? Try it on your DOBAG bag's stripes. You will
soon understand they had no such tool. Sue
Hi Sue
Yesterday, you wrote:
The weavers would hold the tool
right where the paint has rubbed off and move it closer or nearer towards their
eyes to gauge where to begin and end stripes on a kilim, as they were weaving
... it is a tool made for weavers not for designers. Designers had better
tools.
Today, less than 24 hours later, it's:
... they had
no such tool.
?????
Steve Price
Steve,
I said DOBAG has no such tool. It is not a modern tool. Sue
Hi Sue
I see.
How do you know it was a tool in, say, the 19th
century? Being able to measure lengths with ratios around 1.6 to 1 (the
precision implied by calling it 1.608 to 1 can't be right) is simple and
requires no tools. Body parts (fingers or segments of fingers, for example) are
convenient and can't get misplaced.
Regards
Steve Price
Steve,
Yes, it is easy to use one's built in indexing fingers for this
task, and I've done a lot of that. It gets old really fast. In low light
situations, where many variously proportioned hands are involved a tool such as
this has it's equivalent in the ease provided ,in our culture, by tape measures
and yardsticks when fingers and arm lengths could be used, but aren't, unless
one has to.
People who work with their hands appreciate nice tools. Women
like pretty ones. Besides, this is a multi purpose tool, quite necessary to have
had at hand anyway, which makes it all the more attractive. Like a Swiss Army
knife for girls.
John's tool is probably but one of a set made to various
sizes. There were a lot of scales needed for that sort of all inclusive
proportioning in the good old weavings. Better to use several at once. Give it a
try, you'll see. The proportioning system which got lost along the way is worth
the time it takes to find again. It's so easy, too, to do. Sue
Hi Sue
I'll ask one more time. Do you KNOW that these were weaver's
measuring tools in the past? If you KNOW it to be so, HOW did you find this out?
Photograph? Traveler's report? Some other source?
Steve Price
Steve,
I don't know when this tool was made. If you do the simple easy
homework though, it won't be long before you will know, by measuring, some
things you didn't know before about weavings. If you don't do the homework,
though, you won't. Sue
Hi Sue
I didn't ask when it was made. I didn't ask who made it. I
didn't ask how many different things someone could use it to do. I didn't ask
how you would use it if you owned one.
I asked (twice) whether you KNOW
that it was a weaver's measuring tool and, if so, HOW do you know that?
Steve Price
Hi Steve,
Yes, I still know what this tool is.
Do you have a
copy of Al-Jazari's "The book of Ingenious Mechanical Devices" handy? Sue
Dear folks -
Well, I searched ABE for the title Sue provides and there
is such a book.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=871893850&
searchurl=tn%3DThe%2Bbook%2Bof%2BIngenious%2BMecha<br
/>nical%2BDevices%26sts%3Dt%26an%3DAl-Jazari%26y%3D11%26x%3D59
There's
only one copy available at the moment and it ain't cheap.
I doubt if many
of us have it "handy" since I've not heard of it before.
Sue - Could you
maybe quote or summarize what it says about tools like my wooden
piece?
Thanks,
R. John Howe
Hi Sue
No, I don't have a copy of that book. Now that we have that
behind us, may I assume that the book has something to do with why you believe
that this item was a measuring tool used by weavers to get horizontal stripes
with heights in a 1 to 1.6 ratio? If my assumption is correct, would you kindly
reveal what the book has to say about it?
Steve Price