Istanbul - Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum
Hi All
Turkey is great country to visit because of the sun and
beaches, the nice and friendly people and of course because of the old and rich
weaving tradition. And I forgot - a great public bus system. And Istanbul is the
Carpet City.
Among the attractions a rug collector must visit are the Turkish
and Islamic Arts Museum. The museum is situated just besides the Blue Mosque in
Sultanahmet in the old part of Istanbul.
The museum includes ancient rugs and
carpets from the 13th century Seljuk period. On display are also several very
large Ushak medallion carpets from the 16th and 17th century together with
Holbein Bergama rugs, Giordes-, Ladik- and Konya Karapinar prayer rugs (and much
more). Photographing is allowed but without flash.
Photos from the
museum:
Ushak
medaillon carpets in the large exhibition hall
Selcuk carpet 13th
century
Detail of 17th Bergama rug
Holbein
Bergama rug 16th century
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Ivan Sønderholm
Hi Ivan
Turkey is my favorite destination (I've been there 5 times),
and I always spend a few days in Istanbul when I go. The country is jam-packed
with rugs, people who sell rugs, and people who want to bring you to someone who
sells rugs, so it helps to learn enough Turkish to tell them that you aren't
interested. If you say it in Turkish, they think they must have been mistaken
about you being a tourist, I guess. At least, it always works for me.
You reminded me that it's been several years since my last visit - my
son's schedule has taken preference over my own. ICOC will be there next year.
Unfortunately for me, it's during the time of year that classes are in session
and I can't leave. But anyone who can use this as an excuse to go to Turkey - do
it. Every part of the country is a joy (I've been down the Aegean coast, along
the Black Sea as far east as Trabzon, through much of central Anatolia, and
twice to eastern (Kurdish) Turkey.
Regards, and thanks
Steve
Price
ICOC Istanbul
Hi Steve
I agree - Turkey is a joy for a traveler. Especially
traveling by public bus is easy, comfortable and cheap. While we are talking
about ICOC Istanbul they have organized pre- and post conference tours to
different parts of Turkey.
I expect to join the conference but have not left
space in my calendar to participate in one of the tours.
Link: ICOC Tours
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Ivan Sønderholm
Hi Ivan and all,
Thanks for the glimpses into Turkey. We are hoping to
make a trip there sometime this year, and there seems to be a reasonable chance
that we will add our first Turkish rug and/or kilim to our home.
It has
been often repeated that older carpets outshine more recent production, but in
my opinion the 13th century Selcuk carpet shown above shows that there are
exceptions to that rule. Are there others that agree with my view that it is
unimaginative, bland, and has an unappealing colour
combination?
James.
Hi James - the viewers' fascination of a 800 years old carpet comes from the stories it tells through the centuries. What does this carpet tell you ? To me it tell a story about a highly developed culture and great craftmanship.
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Ivan Sønderholm
Nevertheless, I think James raises an interesting point. Not all ancient
weavings seem to be all that beautiful. Then they are admired for their age and
rarity, and the stories they reveal or conceal. However, beauty is in the eye of
the beholder. So, that shouldn't guide us as to what to put into museums,
no?
Tim
Hi James
It's true, I think, that the probability of a randomly chosen
antique rug being more aesthetically pleasing and artistic than a randomly
chosen new rug is pretty high. But a lot of this is because we tend to define
beauty in rugs by criteria that favor the antique. Another factor is that the
surviving older ones tend to be from the top of the heap.
As you note,
many antique rugs are far from meeting the aesthetic criteria we use. As Selcuk
rugs go, I find that one more interesting than most of those I've seen (mainly
as photos - not many of them in my neighborhood), which have few colors and
little contrast between them.
Regards
Steve Price
Hi all,
This is an open invitation to all Turkotekers stuck with
bland, unappealing 13th Century Seljuk carpets cluttering up their garage: send
'em over here, and you won't have any more trouble!!
Just kidding, James,
no snideness intended. But I like that rug fine. Speaking of curiosity (see
Steve's other thread), I always like to see what the rug weavers were coming up
with way back when, before the great classical period examples that seem to have
had such large influence since their day. I see the Seljuk as such a real oldie.
I continue to study pictures of that Pazyryk carpet for signs of a connection to
the Baluchi, but so far, the results are tenuous. (I think I read Jerry Anderson
was trying to help in that area, no?)
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Rich
Larkin
Hello everybody
I have just joined the group.I dont know how come i couldnt recognize this
group earlier.
I am an antique dealer from istanbul who sells generally
Antique caucasian and Anatolian pieces.
I feel so proud about your gentle
comment about turkey.And i really like the pictures that ivan took in the
Islamic Art Museum.
I usually go there for eyes candy
No one let me to take picture
inside.So he is quite lucky that the security guys let them to take a
pictures.
I am so unhappy about some of the guys who try to take tourists
inside of the rug shops.This sort of shops usually selling new production
rugs.
Usually Antique Dealer they dont use this method.
And i am
so unlucky that i was late to take a stand in ICOC.
I really like the
forum and group.
Anyway,
I just want to thank you for the Admin
who designed this forum.
Thank you,
GabrieL
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