"SaLURE" "THALore"
Dear folks -
We've talked a little bit about the pronunctiation
of some Turkmen words in other threads here.
Since, things have slowed a
bit in our engsi conversation, this might be a place to mention two more
English versions of Turkmen words that I, for one, appear to have been
mispronouncing, as I followed what seems to be frequent practice among Turkmen
collectors and authors.
The first of these words is spelled "Salor."
I was trained, as I entered the world of rugs to say "SaLURE," starting
with a strong "S" as in "Sally" and with the accent on the second syllable
which is pronounced like the word "lure" despite the "lor" spelling. While
working with Chris Walter, who is fluent in Turkmen, he mentioned that he has
never heard a Turkmen pronounce "Salor," as I did, that is "SaLURE." He said
that Turkmen universely say "THALore," lisping the initial "S" and accenting
the first syllable. I have not had a chance to ask Peter Andrews about this but
I expect that Chris is correct. I think I do remember Peter saying once that
some "S" sounds are lisped by Turkmen.
The second word, that seems
frequently to be pronounced differently by most Turkmen than the most usual
U.S. usage is "Tekke." We tend to say "TEKKey." Ms. Meredova, the Ersari lady,
said that the correct Turkmen pronounciation of this word is "tekKAY." I have
heard some American collectors use this latter pronounciation but it has always
seemed affected to me. Somehow, inappropriately "French-i-fied" so to speak.
Apparently, though, it is correct.
Now just to permit us to feel OK no
matter how we pronounce these two words (and perhaps others still to be
discovered), someone once asked why it is that particular Turkmen words are
often pronounced so very differently even by different native-speaking Turkmen.
Some Turkmen wag has responded, that it depends largely on the number of teeth
your grandmother had when she taught you to speak.
THALore, THALore. I'll try to get
it.
Regards,
R. John Howe
aLURring
John,
Funny that you mention Salor. It is one of several rug
weaving groups with the L R word in them. L Ri Pambak in
the Caucasus, SaL R in Turkmenistan, SaL R Khan Baluch.
The Lor, according to
Brian MacDonalds book Tribal Rugs, migrated from Central Asia to Western Persia
around 2000 BC. They must have left a few remnants of themselves scattered
around the Middle East. Along with glimpses of their weaving
history.
Patrick Weiler
P.S. And leave my poor, toothless grandmother
out of this!
Hi Patrick,
You forgot to mention the homeland of the Lor
groups, Florida, or the deplorable habit these people have of
leaving their signature syllable lying around in so many
places.
Regards,
Steve Price
Pat -
If your grandmother was really toothless you should be
equipped with a fine lisp.
I can see that this thread is going to reach
new levels of profundity.
Remember, Robert Pinner has already asked why
it is that we would want to do the things we do here "in public."
Regards,
R. John Howe