Posted by Patrick Weiler on 07-05-2002 09:33 PM:

#25

What the heck is #25?
It looks like a mafrash front panel, but appears to have been woven lengthwise. That would be like an Uzbek julkhyr.
Was there any information posted with the piece that would help us in a determination?

Patrick weiler


Posted by R. John Howe on 07-05-2002 09:43 PM:

Pat -

Piece 25



seemed in my hands a rather typical small Kazak. I can't remember the character of the warp threads but I saw nothing that would lead me to employ the caution visible in the
"Caucasian" labeling.

The warps in this small piece run horizontally, as this piece is on the wall, indicating that it suffers from "wool warp syndrome" that changes the shapes of many Caucasian weavings. This one turns a little and has a misshapen end. But the color is excellent and is classically within the Kazak pallette.

Regards,

R. John Howe


Posted by Patrick Weiler on 07-11-2002 08:52 PM:

Skeptikal

John,

I am still skeptikal and one reason is the border. Notice that the stars in the top border are not complete, they kind of peter out as though this weaving was cut-and-shut. Borders just don't do that kind of thing !
Nonetheless, it is a very striking and beautiful piece.
The warps look to be white for the top third and dark brown for the bottom third. If this is the complete piece, it must have been purpose-woven for some unknown application.

Patrick Weiler


Posted by R. John Howe on 07-11-2002 09:09 PM:

"Sceptical"

Hi Pat -

Is that like "skeptical?"



I hadn't noticed that the stars "invade" one border. Good eye.

Regards,

R. John Howe


Posted by Steve Price on 07-11-2002 10:17 PM:

Hi Pat,

The white warps, if that's what they are, are only at one end of the rug. That's pretty odd, unless there's some kind of a restoration in which the restorer missed matching the original warps by miles and miles.

John, do you know if those really are the warps at the ends? I'm wondering if they haven't been wrapped with something else, in whole or in part. I can't really see them well enough to be able to tell whether they form a fringe on the ends.

Regards,

Steve Price


Posted by Patrick Weiler on 07-11-2002 11:38 PM:

scearching

John,

I have been searching for a previously shown (I thought on Turkotek, but maybe in a show & tell) Kazak of similar proportions. I thought it had warps in the short direction, but this one has them in the long direction. The photo does not show if the white warps extend all the way down the rug. I am having so much fun with the Smilies that I am not paying attention to the grammer, syntax or spelling!

Patrick Weiler


Posted by R. John Howe on 07-13-2002 05:19 PM:

Pat et al -

I don't remember that specifically but I do remember being surprised when Jerry indicated that it should hung as it is.

Jerry should speak to this. He will surely know or can discover which way the warps in fact run.

Regards,

R. John Howe


Posted by Jerry Silverman on 07-14-2002 03:11 PM:

The answer is that the rug-ette is hung correctly.

The warps run the narrow, top-to-bottom direction, and the wefts run the long, side-to-side direction. (This, according to Mike Isberian)

Hey, guys, I said these were "rare" and beautiful.

-Jerry-


Posted by Steve Price on 07-14-2002 04:09 PM:

Hi Jerry,

The warp direction suggests that it is the side panel of a cargo bag. The ends are probably overcast with wool, which would account for the different colors of the right and left end at the upper part of the face (upper as shown).

Regards,

Steve Price


Posted by Jerry Silverman on 07-14-2002 04:57 PM:

Yes, Steve. That's what the owner believes. But the complete border system kind of suggests it might not be.

-Jerry-