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Subject  :  cheap and quick
Author  :  Yon Bard mailto:%20doryon@rcn.com
Date  :  12-11-2001 on 05:12 p.m.
Michael, in various places you have asserted that good wines cannot be made cheaply or quickly, yet you yourself have stated that a good wine can be obtained for $4. Sounds pretty cheap to me! As for quick, I have had plenty of good wines that were only two years old. I've even had a two-year old Chateauneuf du Pape that I'd classify as great.
But we are digressing. I think the obsession with natural dyes is misplaced when it comes to floor coverings with no pretensions to collectibility. I have on my floors several standard mid-century Persian and Pakistani rugs that look nice, haven't poisoned anybody, and have stood up well against wear. To compound the sin, I even bought some of them for perfectly reasonable prices at hotel auctions, so there!. Still, I am sure there is a lot of shoddy merchandise out there and labeling it appropriately would be desirable (e.g., "This is a shoddy carpetoid made in Xyzistan by small children chained to their looms using toxic chemicals and wool from DDT-fed sheep; caveat emptor!")

Regards, Yon


Subject  :  Re:cheap and quick
Author  :  Marvin Amstey mailto:%20mamstey1@rochester.rr.com
Date  :  12-11-2001 on 07:28 p.m.
Good evening, Yon. Let's talk about the wine. A good 2 year old Chateauneuf is not made the way "they used to be". I believe it would be difficult to find that wine type, if made before 1970, that would be "good" in two years; it might be drinkable in 2 years, but it would be better later. This is another example of Michael's original analogy: carpets are not made the same way as x years ago. It is a comparison between "apples and oranges", just as a recent Chateauneuf is not made the same way as the old ones.
Best regards,
Marvin

Subject  :  Re:cheap and quick
Author  :  Yon Bard mailto:%20doryon@rcn.com
Date  :  12-11-2001 on 09:59 p.m.
Marvin, I don't get the point. If the wine tastes good, why should I care whether they make it the old way or the new way?

Regards, Yon


Subject  :  Re:cheap and quick
Author  :  C.K.
Date  :  12-12-2001 on 01:26 a.m.
Hi!

Yon Bard’s post, in which he made some comments on the price of a bottle of wine made me add the following little explanation for readers on both sides of the ocean.

My husband and I regularly buy (though we might not do so any longer ) German wines in both the US and Germany. (Please, do not disdain us. Enjoying wine to a certain extent and definitely not in excess quantities is part of regular life in Europe. For Europeans, people drink a lot less here. I am in no way speaking evil of people on either side of the ocean but there are cultural differences and people should be aware of these differences. ) A wine that costs 2-3 DEM in Germany costs around 5-7 USD (like an average wine) in the US and a 7-9 DEM wine is accordingly more expensive. The wine is exactly the same in the US and in Germany, it is just more expensive in the US due to the export. If you are still dare enough to look for German wines in the US after reading Mr. Bischof’s essay, buy those that have something like “Qualita:ts Wein mit Pra:dikat” on the label. (The “:”s are flying accents above the a’s. I apologize if I did not get the German 100% correct, but my German is worse than my English and we only have Australian wines at home right now and could not check the label. ) It is not guaranteed that all wines with this sentence on the label are good. But those without it are definitely not good.

The law that regulates the sale of alcohol in the US is different state by state. We live in Pennsylvania, so my comments below are related to the state of PA only.

Wines are sold in specific “Wine and Spirits” stores only. (For European readers: beers are sold separately in “Beer” stores only. No other stores besides bars and restaurant are allowed to sell alcohol.) Wines sold in these stores must have sufficient quantity to supply all wine stores. Say it differently, every store sells the same wine if the store is supplied by the state – and all but one wine store here in Pittsburgh are such stores. However, this also means that fine German wines e.g. the “ice-wines” that Mr. Bischof talked about in his essay, will simply never get to the selves of a regular US wine store because there is not enough of them.

Best regards,

C.K.


Subject  :  Re:cheap and quick
Author  :  C.K.
Date  :  12-12-2001 on 01:42 a.m.
Correction: I meant import and not export in the above post, if we look at the trade from the US. I sometimes forget where I am and forget to adjust my point of view accordingly.

I would also like to add for further clarification, that when Mr. Bischof talks about good wines for $4, he, I assume, uses the exchange rate and translates the DEM price to USD. (Hope Mr. Bischof can confirm it.)

Sorry for any confusion,

C.K.


Subject  :  Re:cheap and quick
Author  :  Marvin mailto:%20mamstey1@rochester.rr.com
Date  :  12-12-2001 on 09:51 a.m.
Hi Yon,
That is the point! The newly made wines - made differently than 30 years ago - are enjoyable just as some new rugs made with modern processes can be enjoyed. Not all the "new" is bad.
Best regards,
Marvin

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