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Subject  :  Broader Than "Contemporary"
Author  :  R. John Howe mailto:%20rjhowe@erols.com
Date  :  08-12-2001 on 07:23 a.m.
Dear folks -

I probably should emphasize, here, at the beginning, that I am suggesting that we talk widely about what oriental rugs and textiles we think are likely to be collected in year 2101.

Although I have made an argument in my opening essay, suggesting that some items collected a hundred years from now are likely to be drawn from those currently being produced with hand-spun wools and natural dyes, I do not mean for this suggestion to limit other possibilities in any way. In fact, I am prepared, if they do not arise in the discussion, to make some quite different suggestions myself.

So please do not feel limited by, or get too preoccupied with, my initial suggestion.

Let's speculate widely.

Regards,

R. John Howe


Subject  :  Re:Broader Than "Contemporary"
Author  :  Patrick Weiler mailto:%20theweilers@home.com
Date  :  08-12-2001 on 12:32 p.m.
John,

Did you really mean to say "speculate WILDLY"?

The first criterion for collecting rugs in 2101 is that collectors will only be able to collect rugs that actually survive until then.
Discounting the possibility that "life as we know it" will not exist then, and assuming that social and cultural conditions are similar enough that a student of history would not be completely astonished by our current primitive lifestyle, collectors will collect rugs that will fit in their homes.
Most collectors today cannot fit any more than a few 10'x15' rugs in their homes. This makes the "collecting" of large modern "folk" style rugs unlikely. The trend of dense urban development suggests smaller homes and multi-family buildings. This would argue for collecting of smaller pieces.
In conclusion, I propose a frantic, urgent, manic group of Dyzlik collectors will develop. Poorer collectors will have to satisfy themselves with those small Pakistani Bokkara mats, of which there are several million extant.

Speculatively yours,

Patrick Weiler


Subject  :  Re:Broader Than "Contemporary"
Author  :  Marvin Amstey mailto:%20mamstey1@rochester.rr.com
Date  :  08-12-2001 on 04:30 p.m.
Dear John,
I have seen three examples of rugs made by a master weaver (designer) currently working in Iran. These rugs are pictures (paintings?) of the inside of a mosque and of people. This weaver's work was also presented to the last few presidents as gifts. They are priced at about $2500 per sq ft. While I would not collect these, I believe that there will be middle eastern collectors who will trip over themselves to acquire them just as there was a group of such collectors who acquired the finest silk soufs from early 20th c. Iran. They will be collected because they are the finest workmanship (craftsmanship) and the rarest pieces made by that workshop, not because they are the most aesthetically pleasing. By the way, they all have chrome dyes and poor color combinations. There is no accounting for taste.
Best regards,
Marvin

Subject  :  Re:Broader Than "Contemporary"
Author  :  R. John Howe mailto:%20rjhowe@erols.com
Date  :  08-12-2001 on 04:40 p.m.
Marvin -

Agreed, there's no accounting for taste --- or lack of it.

But what do you think folks like us will collect in 2101?

Regards,

R. John Howe


Subject  :  Re:Broader Than "Contemporary"
Author  :  Marvin Amstey mailto:%20mamstey1@rochester.rr.com
Date  :  08-12-2001 on 08:54 p.m.
For those of us who like red rugs with ordered, repeated forms on them, the cultural survival project "Turkoman" pieces now being made in Pakistan
Regards,
Marvin

Subject  :  Re:Broader Than "Contemporary"
Author  :  Nathan Koets mailto:%20handwash@iserv.net
Date  :  08-12-2001 on 09:31 p.m.
Although I like the folk art collections by Woven Legends, I much prefer their antique reproductions. These get my vote for collectable rugs of the future.

NK


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