Subject | : | The Hajj Market as a vehicle for desemination of designs |
Author | : | Richard Farber mailto:%20farberr@netvision.net.il |
Date | : | 03-25-2001 on 11:41 a.m. |
Bravo Filiberto,
What a wonderful document you have produced ! full of the colors and shapes of the impromtu but yearly bazar that you have so well documented. I think that this is an important contribution to our understanding of
the profiligation of designs through the Islamic world. This Haji market
must have been going on for many hundreds of years [a thousand or more?]
not only in Amman but I would guess in other centers on the way to Mekka
and perhaps at the holy sites themselves. I mentioned this in conjuntion
with the Kurdish rug I posted and which was dated by the Kurdish experts
on the site as probobly 19th century . .. the story being that it was
purchased from pilgrams . . . who used its sale to cover expenses [the
same story that mr. Boncompagni so well relates] Thank you again regards Richard |
Subject | : | Re:The Hajj Market as a vehicle for desemination of designs |
Author | : | Filiberto Boncompagni mailto:%20filibert@go.com.jo |
Date | : | 03-25-2001 on 02:05 p.m. |
Thanks Richard,
Yes, I remember your posting and your rug. |
Subject | : | Re:The Hajj Market as a vehicle for desemination of designs |
Author | : | Filiberto Boncompagni mailto:%20filibert@go.com.jo |
Date | : | 03-25-2001 on 03:02 p.m. |
On a second thought, it’s better to use "Islamic Art" instead of "Arab
world"! Filiberto |
Subject | : | Re:The Hajj Market as a vehicle for desemination of designs |
Author | : | Marla Mallett mailto:%20marlam@mindspring.com |
Date | : | 03-25-2001 on 07:53 p.m. |
Dear Filiberto,
Thanks for such a delightful look at your flea market. I suspect that it made us all want to be there! I’ve come across Hajj goods in both Morocco and Egypt. How does a lone South Caucasian rug end up high on the wall in a Marrakech shop? Well, that Moroccan shop owner of course took along some rugs when he went to Mecca--and traded for something exotic. (Can you imagine any rug dealer traveling without a piece or two in his suitcase? Or returning home empty-handed?) Many years later this memento was still on the shop wall, and still Not For Sale. I’ve seen Berber women from the countryside give it long, hard looks. It shouldn’t be surprising that some of those exotic motifs then appeared in their own weavings. Best, Marla |
Subject | : | Re:The Hajj Market as a vehicle for desemination of designs |
Author | : | Steve Price mailto:%20sprice@hsc.vcu.edu |
Date | : | 03-25-2001 on 09:13 p.m. |
Dear Filiberto,
About one-fourth of the so-called Kaitag embroideries have designs that are unmistakably derived from Ottoman court textiles. This puzzles a lot of people, since they were made in two small villages, Kaitag and Dargin, in the remote reaches of Daghestan. The Hajj may well have been the route through which these people were exposed to the Ottoman designs. Appropriate, somehow, that your Salon opens with a bus named Daghestan! Steve Price |
Subject | : | Re:The Hajj Market as a vehicle for desemination of designs |
Author | : | Filiberto Boncompagni mailto:%20filibert@go.com.jo |
Date | : | 03-26-2001 on 03:25 a.m. |
Dear All, I found some other resources on the Web. I quote an article from this page: http://www.islamicity.org/Mosque/jlthajj/hajj.htm "Till the 19th century, traveling the long distance to Makkah usually
meant being part of a caravan. There were three main caravans: the
Egyptian one, which formed in Cairo; the Iraqi one, which set out from
Baghdad; and the Syrian, which, after 1453, started at Istanbul, gathered
pilgrims along the way, and proceeded to Makkah from Damascus (Note - and
through Jordan). Today it must not be an easy journey too, even if the only bandits they
meet are the ones at the Customs! Regards, |
Subject | : | Re:The Hajj Market as a vehicle for desemination of designs |
Author | : | Steve Price mailto:%20sprice@hsc.vcu.edu |
Date | : | 03-26-2001 on 06:08 a.m. |
Dear Filiberto,
Obviously, trade during the hajj brought things from the homeland of the pilgrim to the points en route, along with what we might call diffusion beyond those places. Was it also customary for the pilgrim to bring gifts back to his family and friends? This could be another leg of the journey designs and motifs make as they migrate. Regards, Steve Price |
Subject | : | Re:The Hajj Market as a vehicle for desemination of designs |
Author | : | Filiberto Boncompagni mailto:%20filibert@go.com.jo |
Date | : | 03-26-2001 on 10:28 a.m. |
Dear Steve,
The language barrier doesn’t allow much communication with the pilgrims, but I think it’s logical to assume that people going to Hajj bring back at home some gifts or souvenirs acquired during the trip. What I can tell for sure is that they buy - for reselling - modern baluchis, kilims and sumaks in Iran. I bought 3 days ago one of these old teapots:
On the bottom it has two inscriptions. One is in Arabic. The other one says: GHIAOUANE-FEZ. Marla, perhaps it was traded with the Caucasian rug you saw in that Marrakech shop… Who knows? But I’d like very much to know the story of this baluchi prayer rug…
Just took this picture three hours ago. I’m having fun, you know! Regards, Filiberto |