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Subject  :  Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  R. John Howe mailto:%20rjhowe@erols.com
Date  :  01-14-2001 on 07:49 p.m.
Sara and folks -

This issue is a kind of "light" issue, I think.

A couple of years ago, I was in a New England museum that has a rug collection. I was told that I could take flash photos as long as the flash was internal to my camera rather than a external attachment. The TM has a more restrictive policy that no flash photos of Museum material are permitted.

Would you speak to what actual damage is likely to be caused to textiles by flash photos and what do you think is the basis for the differences in policy between museums concerning the permissability of flash photos.

Thanks,

R. John Howe


Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  Bon Yard mailto:%20doryon@rcn.com
Date  :  01-14-2001 on 10:20 p.m.
John, I hate to be cynical, but many museums (and other public attractions) ban flash photography for the sole purpose of maintainaing their gift shops' monopoly on selling good pictures of the exhibits.

Regards, Yon


Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  R. John Howe mailto:%20rjhowe@erols.com
Date  :  01-15-2001 on 06:11 a.m.
Hi Yon -

Yes, commercial issues sometimes intrude but often I think such policies have other grounds.

The TM does not publish its collection actively as a source of revenue. Your explanation may, though, partly explain why the Springfield museum was open to internal flash photos. They have a brief catalog on their rug collection that is seriously out of date and that sold for $7. Hardly a money maker.

Still I'm interested in Sara's thoughts.

Regards,

R. John Howe


Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  Nathan Koets mailto:%20handwash@iserv.net
Date  :  01-21-2001 on 12:50 p.m.
I wondered the same thing, after visiting several Turkish museums (most notably the Museum of Islamic Art) that had flash bans in place. A few smaller museums granted us permission to take flash photos after our guide asked for special consideration. Others, like the rug museum at the Blue Mosque, charged a small fee for the privilege of using a flash.
Just a note; at the Museum of Islamic Art, I was hoping to purchase a book of rug photographs - I knew that my 400 speed film (sans flash) would not turn out very well. To my surprise, they had nothing of the sort for sale!
Good question, R. John.
Regards,
Nathan

Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  Sara Wolf mailto:%20sjcenik@aol.com
Date  :  01-23-2001 on 06:28 p.m.
We go back and forth with the issue of flash, and there are two different streams here. One has to do with copyright and how images are used (not a discussion for this salon). The other has to do with flash technology (which is improving). In general, flash is a short-lived, but extremely intense light. Repeated high-energy exposure will cause a chemical reaction, but it is harder to predict than steady exposure of lower levels over a longer time span. There hasn't been must discussion of this issue in conservation literature recently; I'm sure because most museums simply ban flash as part of the general collections management policy. Sorry this is not a better answer, but at the moment, there isn't one.

Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  Steve Price mailto:%20sprice@hsc.vcu.edu
Date  :  01-23-2001 on 07:23 p.m.
Dear Sara,

With all due respect, i would take issue with much of the content of your last post.

1. It is absolutely true that photoflash is light of intensity comparable to that of direct sunlight. That's very intense, and nobody with any brains would leave his textiles in direct sunlight for very long. But the duration of a photoflash is less than 1/1000 of a second, so 10,000 flash photos (that's a LOT of flash photos) is equivalent to 5 or 10 seconds of exposure to sunlight. That is, museums could allow flash photography freely with no more risk than that taken when bringing the pieces from the nearest automobile into the museum.

2. The copyright issue may be one on which you are not able to comment, but it is related to the subject at hand and not a forbidden topic on Turkotek.

Regards,

Steve Price


Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  Bob Schinske mailto:%20bschinske@aol.com
Date  :  01-24-2001 on 04:48 p.m.
Hi, all -
Given the litigeousness of our society, I think copyright issues are enough of a showstopper just by themselves, even if camera flash caused zero damage. But another reason not to allow flash photography, at least in the galleries during regular viewing hours, is that it can be an imposition on other visitors. I'm all for greater access, but, given a choice, I guess I'd prefer not to have to deal with light flashes from another visitor. Plus, I appreciate not being obliged to stay away from the object being photographed for as long as it takes the photographer to set up and take the shot.
Perhaps if it were limited to certain hours of certain days? Perhaps 'Flash Friday'?
Regards,
Bob

Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  Steve Price mailto:%20sprice@hsc.vcu.edu
Date  :  01-24-2001 on 05:59 p.m.
Dear Bob,

Your point about flash photography being annoying to others is well taken, although in an uncrowded museum (like the TM) it is unlikely to be much of a problem for anyone. If this were the usual museum explanation for forbidding flash photography, though, it would at least make some sense. The one about the damage the light does is simply irrational.

As for copyright issues, if we are talking about antique pieces or of items on which no copyright is declared (and those two categories cover just about everything shown at the TM), I don't think there are any copyright issues. You can copyright the text you place by an antique rug, you can even copyright the photo you took of it, but you can't copyright the antique rug itself.

Steve Price


Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  Sara Wolf mailto:%20sjcenik@aol.com
Date  :  01-24-2001 on 06:30 p.m.
You can't copyright a rug, but you can copyright the image of a rug.

As for the issue of flash, if you're interested in the research, look up the web site for the Image Permanence Institute. They have done significant research of the impact of light (from a variety of sources) on photographs and paper (protein and cellulose, comparable to rugs and textiles, but certainly more readily deteriorated). I am assuming there will be a list of their publications there. Perhaps their work will provide better explanations than I am able to.


Subject  :  Re:Flash Photo: What Harm?
Author  :  Steve Price mailto:%20sprice@hsc.vcu.edu
Date  :  01-25-2001 on 10:32 a.m.
Dear Sara,

I did visit the Image Permanence Institute web pages. Everything I found there had to do with images printed on paper, mostly photographic images. This, of course, means that it all has to do with synthetic dyes. Since one of the differences between natural and synthetic dyes in rugs is the much greater light sensitivity of the synthetics, I'm not sure just how relevant their stuff is to conservation of antique textiles beyond the generality that all dyes are light-labile to some extent.

Steve Price


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