Subject | : | Kurdish Rug |
Author | : | Richard Farber mailto:%20farberr@netvision.net.il |
Date | : | 12-23-2000 on 03:54 p.m. |
Editor's Note: This thread was on our Show and Tell Board before
the current Salon opened. Because of its relevance, I have moved it to the
Salon.
Dear Turkotek, As some of you know, I am a collector of embroideries, but I do have an "old" rug or two. I am, at the suggestion of Steve, posting this rug with a couple of
comments about its origin. I am of course prepared to hear otherwise about the colors, otherwise I wouldn't post the piece. The second point is the idea that there is a direct correlation between the length of the pile and the micro-climate of the area it was woven in. Or to say it in the way the dealer put it "the higher up the mountain the longer the pile in Kurdish rugs." Any response on this???? I sewed the rug onto a heavy canvas back to conserve it. Sincerely Richard Farber Thanks to Dr. Berkovich who photographed the rug. |
Subject | : | Re:Kurdish Rug |
Author | : | Michael Wendorf mailto:%20wendorfm@home.com |
Date | : | 12-23-2000 on 09:36 p.m. |
Dear Richard:
I have been studying Kurdish rugs for a solid six or seven years and can confirm that your rug is Kurdish. As you probably know, Kurds inhabit and have inhabited historic Kurdistan since antiquity. Kurdistan is an area consisting largely of northern and northeastern Iraq, eastern and southeastern Anatolia and northwestern Iran. Your rug almost certainly comes from northwestern Iran and is of a type that is well known among Kurdish rug collectors. Rugs of this type pop up frequently in the marketplace and consist of stepped polygons repeated throughout the field. Note how the repetition of this simple device is broken only by color juxtaposition. I have always thought of this design having its origins in a more restrictive weave such as slit tapestry. The minor borders are quite typical of a group with two ply ivory warps and double soft red wefts with slight warp depression. Sometimes we see that minor border repeated three times with no major border. William Eagleton displays several examples in his book, "An Introduction to Kurdish Rugs". The ground color can be a brown that is usually corrosive, blue or occasionally apricot. The main border on your rug is also a common ashik type element that works well with this field. It seems to be that your rug could easily be three generations old or more. Though I cannot be certain, the colors all look to be old colors with a nice variety. The red and apricot are typical of the group and the use of a green and purple are indications of an older rug as are the two distinct blues. As these rugs get later the purple and greens tend to disappear and we see only one blue. Based on the photos I would suggest that it is more likely than not that this is a 19th century weaving though rugs with good color seem to have been made as late as the teens in many parts of Kurdistan. Mazeltov. The other information you received seems basically solid. Kurdistan is
mountainous and if Kurds have an identity, it seems to me that the
identity as a people of the mountain. The Taurus and Cudi mountains are a
back drop. The Turkish government has often referred to Kurds as "mountain
Turks." Similarly, I have heard repeated stories about barter and trade occuring during a pilgrimage. However, yours does not seem of the type I would imagine being traded there. The taste seems more toward urban production such as a Nain etc. Thanks for posting images of your rug and the story. Best, Michael Wendorf |
Subject | : | Re:Kurdish Rug |
Author | : | Richard Farber mailto:%20farberr@netvision.net.il |
Date | : | 12-25-2000 on 10:21 p.m. |
Dear Mr. Wendorf,
Thank you for your prompt and informative responce. I am amazed by the level of scholarship. I know how difficult or in fact impossible the attribution of embroidery often is and I impressed by the level of knowledge amassed in your field. The background is brown with a distinct greenish tinge and is corroded and much much lower than the other colors. Warfs red as you predicted. My input on the market of carpets at the Haj was a description of what was related to me through the dealer that the family that sold the carpet said . . . that the three carpets were bought by the father of the grandfather THEN and this might be some indication of what was happening perhaps a hundered on more years ago. As to Jews being in the dyeing trade this is related by my name [and I dont mean Richard.] Thank you for the book title. I will attempt to peruse it at one of the dealers or in library in the coming days. Best wishes for a happy and healthy new year. To you and all the readers. Sincerely Richard Farber I am sure that there are alternate opinions out there and I love an academic debate . . . so please. . . . |
Subject | : | Re:Kurdish Rug |
Author | : | R. John Howe mailto:%20rjhowe@erols.com |
Date | : | 12-26-2000 on 06:54 p.m. |
I received the following comments via e-mail from Michael Wendorf.
Michael's first comment:
Michael's second comment:
Michael's third comment:
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Subject | : | Re:Kurdish Rug |
Author | : | Daniel Deschuyteneer mailto:%20daniel.d@infonie.be |
Date | : | 12-26-2000 on 06:59 p.m. |
Dear Richard and Michael,
Although, I would have preferred a more southern attribution, like Mahabad (Sauj Bulaq) where most Kurdish rugs were woven by the Dehbokri tribes, I feel more comfortable with Michael’s attribution. Is it first hand ? Orumiyeh, formerly known as Rezaiyeh (after Reza Shah) and better known in the West as Urmia, is the capitol of the Gharbi province (Northwest South Azerbaijan). The city is located about ten miles west of lake Orumiyeh (Urmia). Until 1918, just after the outbreak of ethnic violence between Azerbaijanis and Armenians, Christian Armenians formed nearly half of the population while presently 90% of the population is Azeri. The kurds, essentially Herki tribes, are located is the most North Western part. As you know ethnically and linguistically, the Azerbaijani people are descended from the nomadic Turkish tribes that migrated west across Transcaucasia into present day Turkey during the 11 and 12th century A.D It’s interesting to notice that this rug with a clear Kurdish pedigree shows the multiple ethnic influence of this area. The main border with its ashik motif related to Turkmen designs is certainly of Azeri inspiration while the more Caucasian lattice design shows Armenian influence and last the white ground minor border is clearly Persian. Another example like yours is illustrated in "Discoveries from Kurdish Loom" plate 57. The photo is unfortunately a B&W photo. It is labelled Turkish Kurdish rug but the author agrees that there is a degree of uncertainty about the attribution of rugs of this type. This piece was identified as Yorük (Turkish nomadic people with Turkoman backgrounds), when previously published. An Iranian Kurdish origin has also been suggested.
An interesting rug. Thanks to share it with us. Thanks, Daniel |
Subject | : | Re:Kurdish Rug |
Author | : | Guido Imbimbo mailto:%20miaom@pacific.net.sg |
Date | : | 12-29-2000 on 10:52 a.m. |
Dear All,
other examples of Kurdish rugs related to the attractive piece proposed by Richard Farber are: -Lot 249, Nagel, Nov 2000 Finally another specimen related to this group is represented by a rug
that belongs to my friend Giorgio of which I included a detail. Best regards and Happy New Year to all of you. Guido |
Subject | : | Re:Kurdish Rug |
Author | : | Richard Farber mailto:%20farberr@netvision.net.il |
Date | : | 12-29-2000 on 01:12 p.m. |
Dear fellow voyagers in cyber space,
There are rugs where the length is three times the width [more or less] and those where the length is apr. twice the width. The dimensions of my rug are between 130 and 137 width by 240 to 245 length. Aprox. two to one. Different functions? Rugs to eat on and Rug to sleep on ???? all the best Richard Farber |
Subject | : | Re:Kurdish Rug |
Author | : | Daniel Deschuyteneer mailto:%20daniel.d@infonie.be |
Date | : | 12-30-2000 on 11:41 a.m. |
Dear all,
Thanks Guido for your useful, as always, photo’s. I have a bad envy of your database... Richard, I don't think such rugs were ever used as sofreh. To my
knowledge sofreh are always flatweaves. Thanks, Daniel |