Subject | : | A "Common" Kurd |
Author | : | Patrick Weiler mailto:%20theweilers@home.com |
Date | : | 01-08-2001 on 04:36 p.m. |
Daniel,
It is a very fascinating objective (and a valiant attempt) to try to
distinguish the authentic Kurdish weavings from the not-so-Kurdish
weavings. It appears that Kurdish weavings are getting a bit more respect
that they did in the past.
It is 6' long and 45" wide at the bottom, but 41" wide at the top. This
must be due to weft ease as Marla Mallett has described. It appears to
have been woven early in the 20th century and includes 10 or more colors,
including an aubergine that is not faded at all, red, green, pink, blues,
yellow, browns, white and probably more.
The bottom end is a twisted heading cord and an inch of flatweave with
a row of two-color 4-span twining. This, Marla indicates, shows a more
likely home-woven rug rather than a roller beam commercial loom. The top
shows oblique interlacing, then flatweave with the same two-color 4-span
twining.
I suspect it was woven somewhere in the Kurdish heartland, but could
not say with any certainty where. The catch-all NW Persian category seems
to fit. Patrick Weiler |
Subject | : | Re:A "Common" Kurd |
Author | : | Daniel Deschuyteneer mailto:%20daniel.d@infonie.be |
Date | : | 01-08-2001 on 08:06 p.m. |
Dear Patrick,
It’s here already 02 A.M and as I am too much tired I can’t fully
answer to your posting. Nevertheless my feeling is that your rug isn’t
Kurdish. At least not what I call an authentic Kurdish rug. Things will be
perhaps more clear after Steve will have posted my last message. Thanks for your interest and your participation. Daniel |
Subject | : | Re:A "Common" Kurd |
Author | : | R. John Howe mailto:%20rjhowe@erols.com |
Date | : | 01-08-2001 on 09:40 p.m. |
Daniel (and Michael too, if you're reading this) -
I'm struck by the surety of the responses you are giving concerning the pieces being offered. And you may well be right, but I'll just share a thought that occurs to me. How ethnically homogenous is the "Kurdish heartland." Is it nothing but Kurds or are there other ethnic group members living in close quarters in this area? I remember that Wright/Wertime mapped some Caucasian areas closely in terms of ethnicity and found that different groups lived in very close proximity. And Gayle Garrett reports that she has encountered weavers in Western Turkey living side by side and using quite different structures in their weaving. I know it's really the best basis we have for such distinctions but I begin to wonder whether (and not just about Kurdish weaving) we are not kidding ourselves at bit sometimes. Just a thought that makes me a bit uneasy from time to time. Regards, R. John Howe |
Subject | : | Re:A "Common" Kurd |
Author | : | Daniel Deschuyteneer mailto:%20daniel.d@infonie.be |
Date | : | 01-09-2001 on 07:20 p.m. |
Dear Patrick,
Looking to your rug at 02 A.M. is certainly not the best way to do accurate attribution or to write useful contribution. Next time I will first go sleeping.... Now I am awake. The design of your rug is in fact typical of Sard Rud rugs, woven North of Hamadan, and is related to one rug illustrated in Cecil Edwards’ book – The Persian Carpet – plate 89 page 106. I don’t know why I didn’t recognize it directly because I have had one some years ago. Will try to find back the photo and will post it you at home. While the design is characteristic some structure details, you cite,
are disturbing. East of the Sard Rud district are the Kolyai, Senneh and Bijar Kurdish areas. So my guess is that your rug has been woven in the East outskirts of the Sard Rud district, where Kurds and Hamadan people were certainly mixed during the first half of the 20th century. This would at least explain the mixed structure. Thanks, Daniel |
Subject | : | Re:A "Common" Kurd |
Author | : | Patrick Weiler mailto:%20theweilers@home.com |
Date | : | 01-09-2001 on 10:00 p.m. |
Daniel,
This rug does have WOOL warps AND two wool wefts, a flat back with no
warp depression and the selvages are two 4-yarn warp units with weft
interlacing and aubergine overcasting. In some areas, both wefts are
red. Thanks, Patrick Weiler |
Subject | : | Re:A "Common" Kurd |
Author | : | Daniel Deschuyteneer mailto:%20daniel.d@infonie.be |
Date | : | 01-10-2001 on 04:01 p.m. |
Dear Patrick,
Gulp…… I said East of the Sard Rud district are the Kolyai, Senneh and Bijar Kurdish areas …. It’s West naturally! Before seeing my patients this afternoon I will get a quick look at my
notes: I came across two other rugs related to yours in PRJ Ford’s book “Oriental Carpet Design”. Plate 498 and 499. I can post you the photo if you haven't the book. One is labeled Kolyai (Kurdish) and the other one Chenar in the Hamadan area close to the edge of the Kurdish area. Ford adds that a further variant of this basic design is made in the village of Faizabad in the Ferahan district. C.Edwards tells that the design is typical of Shar Rud (North Hamadan area) So, I think that all the pieces of the puzzle are now on the table we just need to assemble them. Against a Hamadan (Shar Rud or Chedar ) attribution are the all wool foundation of your rug and the two wefts inserted between rows of knots, so it may be rejected. In favor of a Kurdish Kolyai attribution is the structure and the wrapped end finishes, but Kolyai rugs have normally only one weft between rows of knots….…. Who said that it was easy? I am sure now where it has been woven : “Somewhere” …… near the Hamadan and the Persian Kurdistan border. Best, Daniel |