| Subject | : | From Sam with Love! |
| Author | : | Sam Gorden |
| Date | : | 08-30-1999 on 09:43 p.m. |
| Dear Friends< Allow me to express my gratitude to Steve for his splendid work as an editor and to the many who took the time and trouble to respond to my exegesis. It is hoped that my ideas have proven of value to some of my readers and can assure them that their reactions have been important to me. The pursuit of knowledge is always a learning process. To those who disagree with my concepts, I cite something wrote by me a long time ago, "It is in the pain of controversy that knowledge and understanding are born which creates the storm that fans the winds of change." My lamentable lack of knowledge about the computer and its idiomatic language "Compuspeak" will cause some delay in answering my responders but I will do my best. Thank you all. Sam (Hali's "Enfant Terrible") |
| Subject | : | RE:From Sam with Love! |
| Author | : | Patrick Weiler |
| Date | : | 08-31-1999 on 10:24 p.m. |
| jpweiler@worldnet.att.net Mr. Gorden, Perhaps you need a new perspective to convert you to the appreciation of fragments. I live in a house with a view of a lake. There is a grove of trees accross the street that partially blocks the view. This produces a fragment of a view. A large fragment, but a fragment nonetheless. Should I have not bought the house because it has only a fragment of a view? Similarly, many of the available rugs and bags have some missing area. The view that remains must be judged on its own merits. By the way, I believe you can get medical treatment for your exegesis. Yours truly, a mere fragment of my former, younger self, Patrick Weiler |
| Subject | : | RE:From Sam with Love! |
| Author | : | Erol Abit |
| Date | : | 09-01-1999 on 05:43 p.m. |
| Dear Sam and Patrick, Patrick, you live in a house with a view of a lake? I as one who lives in a room under earth level am jealous now. And there is a grove of trees accross the street that partially "blocks" your view? Perhaps, what Mr Gorden meant by "It is in the pain of controversy that knowledge and understanding are born which creates the storm that fans the winds of change" was this pain of eliminating "blockages". I agree with him in his this saying but want to add my opinion: pain is not felt spontaneously but after a response time to understanding. Hah, i am becoming a philosopher soon. To attentions of philosophy depts of universities..:) Regards, erol1999@altavista.net |
| Subject | : | RE:From Sam with Love! |
| Author | : | Patrick+Weiler |
| Date | : | 09-03-1999 on 12:10 a.m. |
| jpweiler@worldnet.att.net Erol, I was speaking metaphorically, using "the trees blocked my view" as a metaphor for a rug that is missing some part of it. Therefore, you, the viewer, must appreciate what is remaining as a "whole" view or rug. If you study Philosophy, you will find that it will help explain many "persuasive devices", or strategies that people use, sometimes unknowingly, to advance their theories or arguments. In this case, it appears that Mr. Gorden dislikes fragments, so I was trying to give him a different perspective on viewing fragments; not as just part of something that once was better, but as a whole weaving with some part of it blocked from view. In reading Mr Gorden's responses to other comments regarding his stand on fragments, I have come to appreciate that he does not unequivocally dislike fragments per se, but more the marketing of fragments as somehow even better than, or at least more valuable than, whole rugs of similar vintage and quality. In this aspect I wholeheartedly agree with him. It used to be that fragments, or battered remains of once glorious weavings, were the only avenue open to many aspiring but poor collectors. It seems to Sam that even these fragments are now being exploited to an unacceptable extreme. They are being foisted upon the unwary as being inherently more valuable than their relative quality deserves. Sam, I feel your pain! Patrick Weiler |
| Subject | : | RE:From Sam with Love! |
| Author | : | Sam Gorden |
| Date | : | 09-03-1999 on 01:22 a.m. |
| gordsa@earthlink.net Dear Patrick, My supreme gratitude for your understanding of my point of view. For more years, than I care to remember (I just passed my 89th birthday), I have preached the gospel that the Oriental carpet may be more than just a floor-covering. It can be a work of art! After careful consideration, I abandoned workshop carpets, regardless of age, and tribal rugs made to cater to the taste of the oxident. I concentrated on rural weavings made for the use and gratifaction of the creators. Here, I found the authentic expression of their culture. Often, I have felt like a Christian missionary on the Figi Islands. I know now what it is to be an apostle! Thank you for your empathy. All the best to you from Sam. |
| Subject | : | RE:From Sam with Love! |
| Author | : | Patrick+Weiler |
| Date | : | 09-04-1999 on 12:47 a.m. |
| jpweiler@worldnet.att.net Sam, To coin a phrase that is pertinent to your argument: There is a fine line between a RELIC and a DE-RELIC-T. Some purveyors of rugs stretch and bend that line, miraculously turning derelict rugs into fabulous relics. Since wealth alone does not confer good taste upon the wealthy, P.T. Barnum is still alive! "There is a sucker born every minute." P.S. Your original message in this thread commends Steve Price for all of his hard work on Turkotek. I second that statement. But, I am sure he would be the first to say that, without the help of many others, we would all have more time to get really important things done instead of spending so much informative and relaxing time on the internet!! Patrick Weiler |
| Subject | : | RE:From Sam with Love! |
| Author | : | Sam Gorden |
| Date | : | 09-08-1999 on 12:21 a.m. |
| gordsa@earthlink.net Dear Patrick, I thank my lucky stars that there is time for discussion and the consequent learning process. It is hoped that the readers and contributers have learned something from me but I can assure you that I have learned a great deal from the latter. Regarding conviction, I quote the old saw "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still!" I welcome your comments. You can always use my E-Mail address. All the best from Sam. |