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Subject	:	SALON 24 TRACING THE DESIGN OF RUG1
Author	:	Deschuyteneer Daniel
Date	:	08-24-1999 on 04:00 p.m.

Dear all,

First of all, many thanks to Steve who allows me to reawake this salon with this new software.

Earlier postings from Wendel and Michael suggested that there was some interest to trace the design of rug 1

I used the UB code to write this message and I think the result is fine
I insert here a picture from this rug so you don't need to go through other pages.
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I insert here a picture of an Armenian embroidery derived from 18th century Caucasian floral carpets which seems to be the earliest example of rugs where from the design can be related to Rug1.
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Reference : Victoria and Albert Museum London, 0.81 x 1.27 m picture from Serare Yetkin Early Caucasian Carpets Volume II picture 161 page 40
This picture shows closely a central medallion with [b]"ketebe"[/b] appendage surrounded by rounded palmettes and a 2-1-2 organisation, before the design appeared more geometric with straight lines and evolved into a centralisation of the pattern under Anatolian influence.

Other references of pictures showing a later and transitional evolution are cited below.

Latif Kerimov Azerbaijan Carpet Volume III ( page 56 plate 78): a "Fyndygan" carpet from the Baku group 19th century

Latif Kerimov Azerbaijan Carpet Volume III ( page 60 plate 41) an "Ajikabul" carpet with pair gels from the Shirvan group 19th century.

All these pictures can't be posted here but if one of you not having access to this book would want to see one of these pictures I would be pleased to send it in aperture of a private E-mail.

Some words concerning the ketebe design

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Azerbaidjan carpets Volume II (page 94 - 95), Lativ Kerimov illustrates various type of this pattern with variation of the internal decoration following its use and its origin's. He adds the following comments concerning this design at page 223:
"Ketebe is plural of the word Katib. Katib was a name, given in the past to a clerck at office or to a private secretary.
Ketebe is a name, given to a medallion of cylindrical or elongated form, which reminds the form of the gel.....
In Ketebe the names of the master, painter or customer was written.

Thanks for your participation

Subject	:	Ketebe, Cartouche, Kejebe
Author	:	Steve Price
Date	:	08-24-1999 on 05:56 p.m.

Dear Daniel, Ketebe is a new term to me, but appears to be a synonym for one with which I am familiar, cartouche. On first reading your post I thought it said kejebe, a term familiar to all Turkmen enthusiasts. A kejebe is a tent-like affair atop a camel that hides the bride during Turkmen wedding processions. It also refers to a fairly common Turkmen design, which, interestingly enough, looks just the way your ketebe would look if you cut it in half and joined the two halves at their points. And, very often, a series of these motifs is interrupted by one or two large medallions. I'm afraid that if I go any further Constantinos Maroulis will surface and give me a lesson in linguistic reasoning, so I'll just leave it at that. Steve Price