Posted by Vincent Keers on August 02, 1999 at 17:55:39:
In Reply to: Talish? posted by Daniel Deschuyteneer on August 02, 1999 at 05:49:56:
: Dear Vincent and you all,
: I am always glad to meet European (I am Belgian) on this site, hoping you will continue to participate in our discussions.
: When I proposed a Gendge attribution for your rug it was only a guess based only on similarities in design and colour scheme, without any structural information's and not having handled the rug. I agree with you that such rugs could have been woven in Anatolia.
: You noticed that Wendel's rug has minor borders very similar as minor borders found in Talish rugs, and you are perfectly right.
: Similarities in design are helpful but they are rarely the clue. Structure, type of wool and colour scheme are better guide lines.
: I have seen this type of minor borders in many eastern south Caucasian rugs as well as North west Persian rugs and rugs woven by Turkish tribes, and as Talesh was occupied by Turks it isn't astonishing that they used this kind of borders
: A Talish attribution may be refuted on design and structural characteristics.
: 1/ Talish rugs are far more finely knotted and the knot count rarely drops below 1000 kpsd or 63 kpsi.
: 2/ Alternated depressed warps is a common feature.
: 3/ Wendel's rug lacks a characteristic feature of the Talish family. The edges reinforced by mostly blue, sometimes red wefts protrude into the field in the shape of long 5-10 cm long wedges. Marla Mallet noticed that the wefts protrusions interlaced pairs of ground warps and asked herself if it was a peculiar feature of the Talish rug family. Look at woven structure updates on her web site.
: Last I have added some picture to permit you to make border comparisons if you haven't the referenced books.
: Cordially,
: Daniel
Dear Daniel,
If we read the salon topic and all the reactions,
we see a lot of images only because off the similar
design. Did I overlook some basic structural analyses?
I we don't know, and if the structure doesn't allow
us to identify exactly, we can only guess. I allways start with deleting the options wich are
impossible based on what I see.
The brown/white warps, the woolen wefts give me a clue. That's all. It may well be that a sound
analysis of the colours, can give extra info.
What about the layout of the design? Maybe the rug
is coming from the opposite shore of the Caspian
see: Kazakhstan, Usbekistan/Samarkant, Kirgizstan.
(My Chinese feeling is getting stronger, I can't help it). The difference between me and you all is
that you're all looking to the south and I'm looking to the east.
But if you have any structural analysis wich comply with the one given, the problem is solved.
With kind regards, Vincent