15th Century Andalusian Rug
Dear folks -
Carol Bier, formerly the Curator for Eastern Hemisphere
at The Textile Museum and now, a Museum Associate, has curated two interesting
exhibitions that opened recently.
The first of these exhibitions features
"Andalusian Rugs," a term that refers to Spanish rugs woven under the period of
Muslim rule and Mamluk rugs woven in Egypt. These pieces date to the 15th and
the 16th century.
http://www.textilemuseum.org/exhibi...rent.htm#AndMam
This
post focuses on one piece in the Andalusian exhibition.
This 15th century rug has
never, I think, been exhibited before, perhaps in part because it is in very
poor condition. Spanish pile rugs, many of you will know, are woven with
particular knot that encircles only one warp. They are always offset knotted
from row to row and this carpet is so worn that its structure shows clearly over
most of its surface.
Carol Bier is interested in thoughts about this
piece and arranged for The Museum to send me an image of it. Unfortunately, that
image is very dark and to make the features of this design more visible,
Filiberto has been playing with it a bit backstage at my request. So the colors
in these images can no longer be regarded to approximate those of the actual
piece, but it is true that the piece viewed face to face is not as dark as the
image the TM provided.
This is an interesting rug because it has field
devices that have features much like those of some Turkmen weavings. There is a
main gul with some Turkmen usages and a minor ornament that functions like a
minor gul but which seems European, as do the borders. Here is a somewhat closer
look at the "major gul" device.
Notice that at the top and the
bottom of this piece there are features very similar to those of Holbein usages
that also appear in some Turkmen rugs. And there is a diagonal use of color. The
odd thing is that the sides of this major field device are flat.
So what
do you think? Has anyone encountered a similar piece? What do you think of the
seeming similarities to Turkmen designs? And what other thoughts or conjectures
does this piece raise for you?
Thanks in advance for anything folks are
willing to contribute.
Regards,
R. John Howe
Correction and Attempt to Fix TM Link
Dear folks -
I wrote Carol Bier and indicated that I had put the piece
above up and she looked in on it, then sent me a reply saying in part that
"...The TM link that you posted went nowhere for me. Also, the
description of the two exhibitions got a little garbled; the Carpets of
Andalusia relates to both 15th and 16th century carpets; the Mamluk only to 15th
century."
Thanks, Carol, for the correction.
Here's another
attempt to provide the link from the TM site.
I'll give the general TM
link first. With this one you will have to look about for the Andalusian and
Mamluk links.
http://www.textilemuseum.org/
And here's another
attempt to "drill down" a bit to provide the current exhibitions link. Scroll
down for information on the Andalusian and Mamluk exhibitions.
http://www.textilemuseum.org/exhibitions/current.htm
Hope
that helps a bit.
Regards,
R. John Howe
The missing link
Hi John,
Found the missing link between your penny rug, the Andalusian
rug and the Turkmen güll.
Some of the design in this 10'th century textile seems
related to the Andalusian Rug.
It was found in the Pyrenean Mountains between
France and Spain.
At the time this was made, in the Spanish court workshop,
the Turkmen did not yet know they were Turkmen.
They thought themselves to be
Uzbek or Oguz.
Best regards,
Vincent
John,
Interestingly , a detail of this carpet is published in Turkmen book
, in Jon Thompson's article. There , the details of the Gul are more
visible.
The Gul is from the same family as the Small pattern Holbein
Guls . There are Small pattern Holbeins with the inside quartered that way , in
Philadelphia Museum (see CGEllis) , in Budapest Museum (see batari) and probably
one exhibited in the last ICOC in Italy as far as I recall.
The sides of
the Gul are not straight but the "knotted band's "straight part is longer than
the angled part such that it gives the straight effect So for me , the gul is a
SPH overall.
Except that the knots of the knotted band are executed in a
very distinct way and one can easily follow the endless knot trail.
What
is more interesting to me are the double figures in the field of the Gul. These
guls are usually having a central design. Here there are two motifs in the
field.
Also the colour quartering of the guls echo themselves in the outer
border design.
Given some recent finds that indicate the similarities
between Anatolian Holbein carpets and Eastern Turkestan carpets , it might also
be speculated that this rug was inspired after an eastern Turkestan original ?
Just an impression.
Ali
Dear Ali et al -
I am sorry not to have acknowledged your interesting
post earlier (we are deep in preparations for ICOC X now).
I had not
remembered that a black and white detail of this rug was in the 1980
Macke/Thompson "Turkmen" catalog. I will put an image of this detail up as soon
as I can manage that.
Thanks also for pointing out that this image makes
clear that while the sides of this "gul" have "flattish" areas, there are also
indentations that make its shape more complex than my description of
it.
You mention the center of the major "gul" and John Collins has sent
me a clearer color version of both the major gul and of its center and I am
hoping that he will post them and have some comment about them.
Carol
Bier almost assuredly knows of the presence of this detail image in
Thompson/Mackie, but did not mention it to me. I might over-read this omission a
bit, but it may signal that she finds Thompson's suggestion that this design
likely has a Turkish source less than convincing. She makes no reference to a
possible Turkish source in her gallery labels.
Regards,
R. John
Howe
Turkic Influences
Dear R.J. Howe and All- While the structure of this rug might point in other
directions, I think that the design of this carpet is quintessential Turkic.The
gul format and the border derived from cufic script are of turkic origin, and
the relationship to the Holbein carpets is clearly evident.
This scan of a carpet
simultaneously described by both Erdmann as a " free paraphrase of the Holbein
Gul" and Gantzhorn as a" Holbein Gul Prototype", to me demonstrates an
appreciable of consanguinity, in both gul element and border, with the Textile
Museum Carpet, as does
this divan cover from Pacific Coast Collections.
Perhaps it
is no coincidence that two examples of monumental architecture, one located in
Marrakesh and the other in Seville,are both designed by the same architect and
possess strong elements of the Seldjuk Style.These structures, the Minaret of
the Qutubiyah Mosque and the Minaret of the Great Mosque in Seville, were
constructed in the the 12th cent. and attribuited to the Sevillian architect
Guever.
John,
I must just correct one point in my post. The carpet is
published partially in Turkmen but the article in which it is embedded is
"Turkmen weawings in Historical perspective" and is from Louise W.Mackie rather
than J.Thompson.
She is showing it as an example of quartered motifs in
Turkmen tradition. She writes " The oldest known example was woven in Spain in
probable imitation of a lost Turkish model similar to SPH"s.
Since than
the carpet research has made some progress but I do not know if any new element
can be brought to what she says. I would also look at the similarity in
quartering between the guls and the border and would not also eliinate some
Eastern Turkestan flavour in colouring and patterning.
By the way , good
luck for all the ICOC organization !
Ali
Ola Wappo John,
I wasn't joking. Maybe your Pennyrug was a bit out of
the order, but for the rest I was deadly serious. The Andalusian rug seems to
incorparate some different artistic levels.
The textile I posted is filled
with all kinds of independent design. The Holbein Gull has a more continuous
design. So has the Andalusian rug, but the two main Gulls are different.
The
left Gull is more like the textile.
The right Gull is more like the
Holbein.
The secondary Gull looks like a family arms, but I can't find which
one.
Do you know
where this rug was found?
Did it come from a Cathedral, monastry?
Best
regards,
Vincent
Please, someone tell me that I am not the only one, who, upon seeing these guls, said to themselves, "Ah-h the Moors!" Except for the fact that they are surrounded by those early "Renaissance" wreath-like things in the boarders and Anotolian style "brackets" holding the guls down, this rug lacks the goofy late dark ages emerging European stuff of other Spanish rugs I have seen. I don't see an Anotolian beat either. I see Africa. Am I alone in that? Where did that sophisticated outer boarder come from? Sue
Further Illustration
Dear Sue and All- I understand your confusion, especially considering what
the adjustments to the photo mentioned By R.J Howe have done, but Turko-Arabs
have represented the predominant culture in Morocco and Andalusia for centuries.
True, Marrakech is predominantly black, but has not been the center of
Maghribian culture for some time, and not when this rug was woven. The following
scan further illucidates the Turkic origins of this rugs design- Dave
Dear folks -
I am sorry not to have been able to follow this thread I
started more closely.
A few thoughts.
Vincent - I see what you
mean and that your post was not mostly in jest. And we did not say clearly
enough that in fact the treatment of the centers in the major guls alternates
between a two-device version and a single device version. Your graphic shows
that clearly. A "penny rug" similarity to the single device version is probably
a bit of a stretch but thank you.
About the "secondary" gul: I think it
looks European and the borders seem a bit that way to me too. We sometimes
forget that designs in this geographic area would not just be influenced by
sources at a distance, such as a possible version of a "Holbein" device, perhaps
imported from Turkey or even from Central Asia, but there were very real local
design repertoires as well. (Think of such sources of influence as Roman floor
mosaics, for example. A Roman legionnaire retirement community was located in
Timgad in North Africa and there is still a museum there with a wide array of
"European" derived mosaics.) So it would not be surprising if such rugs were
mixtures.
Sue - Early in my first post in this thread there is the
following sentence:
"...The first of these exhibitions features
"Andalusian Rugs," a term that refers to Spanish rugs woven under the period of
Muslim rule and Mamluk rugs woven in Egypt. These pieces date to the 15th and
the 16th century."
It is my understanding that the "Muslims" of this
sentence are the same folks as those to whom your "Moors" reference points. So
that is a known given here. That's what "Andalusian" refers to. Spain during an
era of Muslim domination.
Regards,
R. John Howe
Origins of the Minor Gul?
Hi John and all,
Think I didn't see what I was thinking
No. I didn't understand what I
thought I saw
Well,
this is a getting more and more insane
The Andalusian rug uses one
warp/one knot.
You said something about offset knots.
That's where the
Spanish production sets itself apart from all other productions.
An offset
knot can only be made because you work on two warps.
In Spanish production
there is no need to use offset knots.
The left Andalusian gull has an edge
that can be easily made with a one warp production.
With a two warp
production it's difficult to make this kind of gull edge. The two/one devise
version aren't the subject.
So I was thinking....Yes I was....don't know
why.....
that I saw a needle treatment in the 10'th century textile, that
explains different Andalusian edge treatment.
But then I saw that the second
Andalusian gull had a Turkman edge too.
So...what is happening here?
I see
too much? I think to much? I drink to much?
Whatever. This Andalusian rug
seems to show us the transition from one kind of gull into a second kind of
gull.
A one warp treatment to a two warp related treatment of the same
design.
Did I make any sense?
If not, it's nice thinking about because
most things that do seem to make sense, aren't nice to think about.
Best
regards,
Vincent
PS.
I only had
two glasses
of wine.
A
very
good
Spanish wine: Berberana Dragon.
And
before I'm
going
to
speak
Andalusian,
(think
it's related
to
Turkman)
I
check
out.
Hi Vincent -
Only time for this much without an image (Eiland and
Eiland has a nice one on page 37 if someone wants to put it up):
Spanish
rugs are truly offset in their knotting. That is, on a given horizontal row, a
knot is tied only on alternate warps. Then two rows of wefts are inserted and
the next row of knots are tied on a different set of alternate warps. And so
on.
The Spanish knot can be tied several ways. The more common
construction begins by laying a piece of pile wool over a warp, then taking it
down on both sides and then crossing the two ends behind the warp and coming to
the front through the separate loops (macrame people would say "bights") that
are formed on each side.
Peter Stone shows a somewhat different
construction in his "Lexicon."
The confusions possible about the things
we are discussing are not necessarily the result of a little wine, but could
lead one to have recourse to some.
Regards,
R. John Howe
I received from John the following image and text:
While resting
for a moment from this ICOC X craziness, here is the Eiland and Eiland image and
text regarding the Spanish knot.
Looking at it again I see that
my previous description was not quite correct and that in this version the pile
knots do NOT come up inside the loops on both sides and that as a result this
knot is not quite as firm on the basis of its own construction as it initially
appeared to me.
The symmetric knot has some firmness of structure but can
loosen through its rather slack collar.
The asymmetric knot is least firm of
all and really needs to be pinched between two rows of wefts since it is
composed of a half-hitch combined with an inlay.
A version of the Spanish
knot that was firm on the basis of its own construction would likely be
convenient for the offset character of the knotting in Spanish rugs because the
knots are each a warp apart on each side and do not give one another much
lateral support.
Footnote: It appears to be that Marla Mallett has not
treated the Spanish knot at all in the initial edition of her book on structure.
Surprised me.
John Howe
Thanks, John
As can be visualized from the illustration above, diagonally drawn lines in
the guls would give a less "stepped" appearance and more smooth edges would
result from this knotting technique. When knotting, the weaver would leave the
shed slightly open so that only the warps to be knotted would be in a forward
position. The warps to be left unknotted would be out of the way. In this rug
adjustments for "unstepped" horizontally and vertically drawn lines in the
design must be considered.
The illustration has two single wefts placed
in the shed which was left open after the row of knots was completed. (?) The
shed was then changed for the next row of knots. On this rug, for smooth
horizontal and vertical lines, the weaver would add a knot on each outer
unknotted warp shown. She would continue to do this, every other row, where
these lines were needed. To keep these knots in place either the shed would have
to be changed before each single was placed between the rows of knots, or, more
likely and better, three rows of singles would be woven, changing the shed
between each row. There are other ways, too.
Spanish knotting is very
versatile. It provides ample opportunity to adjust knots to the needs of designs
being woven, as they are being woven. The best of both worlds.
The
illustration shows each knot composed of a single. For rugs like this one, which
require straight horizontal, vertical, and diagonal lines, the best way would be
to use two singles per knot. When the weaver got to a place where the design
needed straight horizontal and vertical lines a single could be used on the
outer two knots of each line so the same amount of yarn would be used for each
row. This would happen every other knotted row, in this case, within the
boundaries of the lines. This is akin to a Chinese method of getting more detail
into rugs with very low knot counts. It is also very close to construction
methods of some Turkmen tent bands, which are probably derivative. Sue
Afew quick thoughts
Hi Sue and All- I find this line of thought compelling, that which would state that the type of knotting employed in a rug might modify the appearence of the design. Also, what is the origin of the "Spanish" knot. Anyone thought of the possibility that it might proceed from the weaving techniques of the indigenous Moroccans(i.e., Berbers?) or other non Turko-Arabic North African Peoples? Also, one thing which suprized me so much about my experiences in Morocco was the realization that so much of that which I as an American attributed to the spanish, as in building materials, architectural design and ornamentation in general, are in reality Turko-Arabic .- Dave
Dear John,
Why are Spanish knots offset?
They can skip a warp, and they
can knot on everywarp at the same level.
That doesn't make any difference in
the outcome.
Can't see the offset in this meaning that a warp is
shared by
two knots in the same vertical orientation.
Made a drawing:
Yep, looks
sharp.
Without a sophisticated loom or offset knotting,
the Andalusian
curvilinear gull could not be made by Turkmen.
But the Andalusian/Spanish
knot could create the rectangular gull.
Where did the Spanish knot come
from?
From curvilinear designed needlework that was translated into a
knotting system
that could compete with it's originals?
Best
regards,
Vincent
Hi Vincent -
I agree that the character of the "offsetting" for the
knots that only circles one warp is different from that in which the knots
employ two warps.
And it may be that we shouldn't be using the same term
to describe these two structures.
That's why I was hoping that Marla
Mallett had treated it and was surprised when I couldn't find that she had. She
would be very good about suggesting language to describe these two structures
both accurately and distinctively.
Regards,
R. John Howe
In the last paragraph of my above post I neglected to say that when the one
ply knot was being added to what would otherwise be a vacant warp in the row,
added to provide a smooth edge to a vertically designed design element, the next
one ply knot over would be the ground color.
For an easy to visualize
example think of a plain brick wall. At the outer edges of the wall every other
course of bricks laid will end in a half brick to compensate for the
construction method. Doe's it make a difference? I think so. Sue
Lou-lan
I came across page 110 in "Chinese an Exotic rugs" by Murray.L Eiland. He
describes the fragments
(4'th/5'th century) that have been found by mr. Stein
at Lou-lan station in the Lap Nor lake region.
"The knotting, as
determined by subsequent examination, sets these pieces apart from both the
earlier
Pazyryk finds and the modern carpets of central Asia. Two
varieties
of single-warp knot are described by Sylvan, although other
observers report only
the so-called Spanish knot, which was apparently
widespread during the
first millenium A.D. etc.etc.
So, the "Spanish" knot is
a "Lou-lan" knot or a "Sinkiang" knot it seems,
and I think it's the best
knot to copy textile related curvilinear designs.
So for me the Andalusian
rug shows the best of two worlds.
Best regards,
Vincent
Will someone in DC take a few moments to rescue this rug before they fold it up again? How much more can it take? Sue
Not yet,
Dear Sue,
and others,
I questioned the 2 different
gulls and one of them is more textile related than the other one.
John posted
the question about the origin of the Spanish knot.
David posted the question
about Morocco.
The single warp knot has been used wherever rugs have been
made.
It has been found in East Turkestan.
It has been found in Cairo as
well and Copts used single warp knots.
I'm waiting for a single warp knotted
Moroccan rug to pop up. It's out there.
The single warp knotted rug is less
strong than two warp knotted rugs.
So maybe that's why we can't find
8'th,10'th,12'th 14'th century rugs?
But, why was the single warp knot
used?
(The Pazyryk rug shows two warp knots. So this knot was
available)
The need for detail?
The message behind the curved line?
It
had to be done with mathematical precision in order to get the message
thru?
So, from one comes another.
Best regards,
Vincent