Posted by Steve Price on 10-01-2004 09:59 AM:

Mystery Textile Number 10

Posted by Johanna Raynor on 10-01-2004 05:07 PM:

Cotton block printed lining

I have a turkmen chyrpy with a lining like this.

Probably 1900

Posted by Richard Farber on 10-02-2004 01:17 PM:

dear johanna raynor

an excellent guess BUT . . . this is the lining of the mystery textile and not the attribution of the textile itself. what is the textile?

to summarize you said

turkman chyrpy
1900


that is not the textile but could well have been, although the real turkmen experts out there will help us later when more clues are shown with the exact tribal attribution


i suggest that you guess other textiles that might have used a lining like this.

a new clue will be posted latter in the week to help.

sincerely


richard farber

Posted by Johanna Raynor on 10-02-2004 03:58 PM:

Well...thats a big field and I haven't seen that many turkmen textiles.

Still in the archives of salon 108 there is a picture of a bokche with a very similar lining so I'll go for that

next guess to that would be also a small bag.

Is the yellow in the picture an embroidery thread? If so the item needn't be large.



Johanna

ps Nice talking to you in that part of the world. Glad you aren't blocked

Posted by Richard Farber on 10-03-2004 01:41 AM:

dear johanna raynor,

the yellow thread could well be an embroidery thread. and now as to your two further guesses

turkman bockche
circa 1900

and

turkman bag
circa 1900


i am happy to announce

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that to the best of my knowledge your solutions for the mystery items are


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incorrect



please try again


further clues in a few days or even sooner



and nice talking to you

richard farber

Posted by Filiberto Boncompagni on 10-04-2004 02:00 AM:

Posted by Steve Price on 10-05-2004 01:46 PM:

Posted by Johanna Raynor on 10-06-2004 07:13 AM:

The triangular embroidery looks like part of the a camel headdress but still can't quite work out where the flatweave bit goes

Is this one so simple that only a beginner like me is bothering to guess?

Just for me!! thank you Richard

Posted by Richard Farber on 10-06-2004 08:26 AM:

WE HAVE A WINNER

WE HAVE A WINNER


congradulations to johanna raynor . . . .

she previously recognized the block printed backing cloth as turkman around 1900 [could be much earlier but not much later becuase russian cloth was mostly used as backing cloth - lining - through the 20th cent.


yes it is a complete camel decoration covering the head and the neck - the triangualar pieces hang down from both sides of the camels neck.


you can see one

http://www.tribalchase.com/ethnic.images.php

fourth row forth image



i will ask steve to post the other clues.


all honor to ms. raynor

Posted by Steve Price on 10-06-2004 09:25 AM:

Hi People

Here are the final two images for this piece:





Regards,

Steve Price

Posted by Richard Farber on 10-06-2004 09:41 AM:

the camel decoration is hanging in a corner of the dining room . . . you cant see all of it but i believe you can get an idea . . . .