"sehr alte Kameltasche Torba turkmenische ? Teppichtasche handgeknüpft ANTIK"

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  • "sehr alte Kameltasche Torba turkmenische ? Teppichtasche handgeknüpft ANTIK"

    Here is another Ebay find, which I purchased as "sehr alte Kameltasche Torba turkmenische ? Teppichtasche handgeknüpft ANTIK":

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    I am at a loss to find out its origin and age. Any ideas and comments?

    Erik Persson
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    I don't think this is Turkmen. My guess is early 20th-c. Afshar, but I'm tentative because I can't say I've ever seen a piece like it.

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    • #3
      Afshar does come from the Turkic, Turkoman Oğuz ancestral origins. They stemmed from the Bozoklars, then from the sub tribe Yildizhan.

      I don’t want to sound like a know it all because I am not. My wife’s nephew just wrote a book that took many years of a high level of research including historical Turkmen archives. We have a copy of his book.
      Joe Lawrence

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      • #4
        Hi

        I think it may be from northwest or west Afghanistan - Baluch, maybe Hazara or Aimaq. The motifs and palette work well with mid 20th century products from the region. I'm not inclined to consider it as Afshar work; it's a bit distant from Afshar flatweaves I'm familiar with.

        Regards,
        Chuck

        Qala-i-Nau kilim detail:


        Baluch Malaki kilim detail:

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        • #5
          Thank you, for the suggestions! I also thought about Shahsavan, but it was just a guess.

          What is the title of the book about the Afshars and the Turkish tribes?

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