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Old September 1st, 2017, 04:49 PM   #1
Luciano Valle
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Hello,
I hope to get some news about two rugs I have recently purchased.
The first one is worn but old and I think could be from Caucaso (Armenia?): there is a writing with, maybe, the date 1919 but really the numbers could be letters, I do not know...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/R1Eb3fyb3qbfZm9w2

The second one is new or very recent since there is still a metal plaquette: to me, it is from Beluchistan but I could be wrong.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jb34YWua9XfMMXLU2

I apologize for my poor knowledge and hope in your expert opinion about these rugs.
Thanks a lot for your kind attention and greetings from Rome,
Luciano
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Old September 1st, 2017, 08:10 PM   #2
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Hi Luciano

The first one is almost certainly Armenian. Armenian rugs are often incribed, and the inscription on this one looks like Armenian script. It is dated 1919; we probably have readers who can read the inscription. The 1919 date is consistent with the palette, which is pretty typical for the first half of the 20th century.

The second is Belouch group, which can include a number of weaving groups that have rather somber palettes with relatively little contrast. Most likely woven in Afghanistan in the second half of the 20th century.

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Old September 3rd, 2017, 04:44 PM   #3
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Hello Steve,
Thank You so much for your kind reply and for the news about these rugs: let's hope someone can tranlate the writing.
Thanks again and best regards,
Luciano
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 05:16 PM   #4
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Hi Luciano

Many rug sealers are Armenian or of Armenian descent, and can read Armenian. If nobody translates it for you here, you might try sending a photo of the inscription to one of them by e-mail. Better yet, you could send it to he Armenian Rug Society. Unless it's a much longer inscription than what you've posted, it's probably just going to be a name + the date. The name might be the weaver, someone who recently died or a newborn.

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Old September 6th, 2017, 03:04 PM   #5
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Dear Steve,
as you suggested, I have written to the Armenian Rugs Society and its President, Mr. Hratch Kozibeyokian, was so kind to reply me.
I'll forward you his answer:

"The carpet you have is indeed Armenian and NOT Turkish as you state on the title page where you have the photos... Your rug most probably is woven in historic Artsakh, in the year of "1919", followed by abbreviations in Armenian alphabet of Armenian female and male names--"Va[rsenig] . sar[kis]", this indicates that your rug is a commemorative carpet most likely it was woven as a dowry for the marriage of Varsenig (bride) and Sarkis (groom)."

So now I am going to update the title of the web page.
Thanks to him and thanks to you too for having fully explained my armenian rug.
Ciao,
Luciano
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Old September 6th, 2017, 04:25 PM   #6
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Hi Luciano

Do let Mr. Kozibeyokian know that you've corrected the attribution. This is a very sensitive issue with many Armenians.

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Old September 7th, 2017, 09:51 AM   #7
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Hi Steve,
yes, I know and I have already done it.
Thank you again and greetings from Rome,
Luciano
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