Identifying Turkoman rug

[Paolo Dalla Tor]

Good morning everyone, this is my first post on TurkoTek and the rug I'd like to have your opinion on is just the second rug I own so please forgive my lack of knowledge on the matter. I've had some exposure to Persian and Caucasian rugs from my mom passion but not much about Turkoman rugs. I did a brief research on colours and patterns and it seems to me it could be perhaps a Beshir rug but I'm sincerely not sure about its provenance and age. The rugs measure 390 x 160 cm and hopefully, the pictures below could help in providing a good visual description. Thanks for looking and commenting and Season's Greetings!

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Paolo

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

Welcome to Turkotek, Paolo.

As I always say, Turkmen rugs aren't my cup of tea.

But I do have books. http://www.turkotek.com/show_and_tell/biggrinsanta.gif

This is a scan from the Italian translation of 'Turkoman: Oriental Rugs' (Oriental Rugs, #5) by Uwe Jourdan, plate 281

http://www.turkotek.com/show_and_tell/Jourdan_Fig_281.jpg

Described as a 'Group Ersari, Emirate of Bokhara', Beshir with Herat pattern field, 322x168 cm.

Close enough, isn't it?

Greetings to you too. http://www.turkotek.com/show_and_tell/biggrinsanta.gif

Filiberto

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

Forgot about the age.
The one in Jourdan's book is said to be 'third quarter of XIX century'.
Yours looks definitely more modern.

[Mikko Saikku]

Agree 100% with Filiberto--based on the photos, I'd say "Beshir," mid/late 20th century.

Hyv?? joulua ja onnellista uutta vuotta!

Mikko

[Frank Martin Diehr]

Hello Paolo, hello all


I don't know much about the Beshir long rugs in particular, but to me it looks like a pre-Soviet area rug. While I agree that it looks younger that the good comparison Filiberto remembered from Jourdan's book, I would still date it to ca. 1900, or a little earlier. The warps are another indication, the design and size (if a little long) are well in line with traditional Beshir production, and all the dyes look good on my screen. Just my two cents.


A very good starting point to collecting!


Kind regards


Frank

[Paolo Dalla Tor]

Thank you all for the encouraging comments.
I've seen this carpet in February 2020 on a street in Hong Kong, hung on a railing in front of an oriental art gallery. The design and palette got stuck into my head so last week I decided to finally get it.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0NJnS5N/IMG-20200206-135510.jpg

And yes Filiberto it's good we have books and it's exciting that not everything is already been digitized and available online. It'll be great if you all could suggest to me some readings on Turkoman and especially Beshir rugs, or point me to some resources already present on Turkotek.com.

Best,
Paolo

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

At the top of this page, on the left, there's a link to our archives.
Anyway, I'll repeat it here:

http://www.turkotek.com/archive/archive.htm

Browse in there and you'll find plenty of topics related to Turkmen rugs.

One on Beshir is here:

http://www.turkotek.com/misc_00045/beshir.htm

Filiberto

[Mikko Saikku]

Dear all,

After reading Frank's comment--and seeing the photo of the rug outside--I agree it's older than I originally thought; in any case, it does not look like a late 20th century product. (Seen quite a few of those.)

Not that familiar with the Beshir, but for example O'Bannon's The Turkoman Carpet and Parsons's The Carpets of Afghanistan have some photos of 20th century Beshir production, not just 19th century museum pieces.

Best,

Mikko