Anatolian carpets in Spanish paintings

[Levent Boz]

Dear friends. My name is Levent but couldn't change it from the control panel. I'm new here and I have a question if i'm allowed to ask something like this.

Currently studying carpets in Spanish painting and I already discovered many names like Gon?al Peris, Taller Verg?s, Bartomeu Bar?, Bernat Martorell, Jaume Huguet, Diego de la Cruz, Alonso de Sedano from the 15th century.

Also Master of La Sisla, Juan Gonz?lez de Becerril, Pedro Berruguete, Nicolas Falc?, Juan de Borgo?a, Alonso Sanchez Coello from the 16th century.

Majority of the representations are Spanish made carpets.
There are some Persian examples from the second half of the 16th century.
But I couldn't find a Spanish painting with an Anatolian carpet. (Or maybe I did but not realized!)

Most probable example is Vicente Carducho's The Annunciation, 1636, which is very late for my research and also he's an Italian born painter, even though he painted these in Spain.

I just need a name. A painter, a book, a clue, anything to continue my study:

"Anatolian carpets in Spanish paintings"

Many thanks in advance.

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

Welcome to Turkotek, Levent.

Sorry, I have to ask for your full name so we can edit your registration.

I am not sure if I can help with your research but I'll try.

Surely Pierre Galafassi will be aboard too, I guess.

Regards,

Filiberto

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

Not easy at all. :(

But I think I found one:

Ca.1620 Rodrigo de Villandrando - Isabel de Borbon, Queen of Spain - Prado, Madrid

http://www.turkotek.com/show_and_tell/Ca.1620_Rodrigo_de_V illandrando_Isabel_d e_Borbon_ Queen_of_Spain_Prado _Madrid.jpg

The rug seems a "Star Ushak".

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

P.S. - as you said, Vicente Carducho, real name Vincenzo Carducci, doesn't count because he was a fellow Florentine :)

[Pierre Galafassi]

Hi Levent,

I was unable to find any.
Sorry
Pierre

PS: Nice find Filiberto.

[Pierre Galafassi]

Hi Levent,

With a bit of luck you will be able to prove that G.Lopes (Lopez ?) was not Portuguese. He worked in Portugal though, around 1525-1540:
He painted a 'Salome' showing a few cm of a rug and an 'Annonciation' a bit more visible.
They seem both loosely inspired by Ushak 'Lotto' rugs.
See the 'Salome' here:
Three Renaissance Ruggies* 
FIG 91.
http://www.turkotek.com/old_masters/salon_3.html

Then there is of course the question whether Juan Pantoja de la Cruz, John de Critz, or any other painter is the real author of 'The Somerset House Conference'. For sure the rug on the table looks very Ottoman to me.

Best regards
Pierre

[Levent Boz]

Dear Filiberto and Pierre.

Many thanks for your comments. I don't know why but this is really hard. Checked almost a hundred Spanish painters but...

I find this painting by Juan de Vald?s Leal from 1660-1664. We have a nice Lotto rug there. But again, from the second half of the 17th century.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Valdes_leal-san_ignacio_aparicio n_de_san_pedro.JPG

Gregorio Lopez was not Portuguese?? I really must check this.

Ps. Full name is Levent Boz

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

Hi Pierre,

For the record, I did find two paintings of Gregorio Lopes with a "Lotto" rug, but, being him Portuguese, it didn't count - like Vicente Carducho, or Vincenzo Carducci.

Regards,

Filiberto

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

Hi Levent,

I don't think the rug in the Juan de Valdes Leal's painting is a Lotto. And I cannot find a better resolution image to give a clear verdict.
Regards,
Filiberto

P.S. - Pierre was joking. Gregorio Lopes WAS Portuguese :)

[Pierre Galafassi]

Hi Filiberto,

I am never joking, as you well know. I am only ignorant.:confused:
Gregorio could be a bit of a Spaniard, genes are like rug motifs, they travel fast.

Hi Levent
Seriously now, do you know whether there is finally an agreement among art experts about who painted the 'Somerset House Conference' ?
Pantoja de la Cruz or De Critz?

I agree with Filiberto, Isabel de Borbon does walk on an Ushak.
Regards
Pierre

[Filiberto Boncompagni]

From the National Portrait Gallery website:

https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw00166/The-Somerset-House-Conference-1604

This group portrait commemorates the peace treaty between England and Spain in 1604 which brought an end to a war which had dragged on for almost twenty years. Between 20 May and 16 July 1604, eighteen conference sessions were held at Somerset House, and the treaty was signed on 16 August. While those depicted were not all present at the same time, the painting may well record the appearance of the room in Old Somerset House where the negotiations took place. On the left are the members of the Hispano-Flemish delegation, on the right, the English commissioners. Although it apparently bears the signature of the Spanish painter Juan Pantoja de la Cruz, this painting also bears an impossible date, 1594. It is generally thought that both signature and the date are false and that it is by a hitherto unidentified Flemish artist. It may be associated with John De Critz the Elder, whose paintings were probably the source for the portraits of Robert Cecil and Thomas Sackville.
See? Painting of an event that happened in 1604, but dated 1594.
Something must be wrong with that date...

:sherlock: